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This is a bit far fetched. Hongkong is part of China, it has been part of it for a long time. UK rule was a blip in that and it was a 99 years lease anyways. [

This is a bit far fetched. Hongkong is part of China, it has been part of it for a long time. UK rule was a blip in that and it was a 99 years lease anyways. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong

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chewz 7y ago
Still it makes me a little angry, we have 8 milion nice, young pro-democratic protesters in Hong-Kong facing communist tanks and we aren't even going to drop a single rocket on Beijing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement
- StreamBright 7y ago
  I am not sure where the 8 millions is from, the number of protesters are much less. Would you want to start a world war over HK?
  - chewz 7y ago
    War no, confrontation yes.
    - thenewwazoo 7y ago
      Pick up your rifle, then, soldier.
    - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
      "Drop a single rocket on Beijing" is "war", not just "confrontation".
- donaldknuth123 7y ago
  >we aren't even going to drop a single rocket on Beijing? You are being naive. Are you really ready to risk WW3/Nuclear War to support these protests?
- mikeash 7y ago
  Would you kill a billion for the sake of 8 million?
- rolltiide 7y ago
  The constitution of Hong Kong known as the "basic law" allows for Beijing's military action. Corresponding mainland Chinese law allows for military action in Hong Kong when things seem unmanageable for the city's government. Defacing state property and paralyzing the airport seem to be Exhibit A and B? There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Even under a foreign power's "national security interests", Hong Kong is pretty much an administrative convenience to asian markets than an outlier, as China knows how to run markets these days and has little qualms about capitalist functions, so it is very unlikely that major market disruptions would happen from even the most extreme scenarios imagined here. As such "rockets on Beijing" let alone any foreign diplomatic recognition of these internal issues would be very counterproductive. In this case for whats productive, use this analogy: think of it more like a theorist in Ohio wondering if DC is causing a false flag attempt during a period of unrest in a US state or dependent territory. That theorist is never suggesting that a neighboring or powerful country intervene, while still being passionate about the idea that the unrest is being propelled in order to justify state control. Might be true, might not, doesn't matter, but still the only outlet to express discontent than suggesting a third party drop rockets on the capital!
  - pimmen 7y ago
    > There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Doing it just to effectively end "One China, two systems" would absolutely be breaking a teaty. Which is illegal.
    - BlueonMount 7y ago
      HK’s security is fundamentally derived from Chinese military power. Mainland soldiers are regularly stationed in HK. This is part of what One China means.
      - pimmen 7y ago
        Yes, but if the populations want ”One China, two systems” enforced and the PLA stops that by force, it’s not really about the security of Hong Kong anymore. It’s using the military to subjugate its population rather than protecting them.
- BlueonMount 7y ago
  This is not true. HK total population is less than 8 million. Even you count half of them as young, that’s 4 million. Most of these young people have meaningful things to do, such as school or work. The ones that are on the street are typically not nice at all.

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chewz 7y ago

Still it makes me a little angry, we have 8 milion nice, young pro-democratic protesters in Hong-Kong facing communist tanks and we aren't even going to drop a single rocket on Beijing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

StreamBright 7y ago
I am not sure where the 8 millions is from, the number of protesters are much less. Would you want to start a world war over HK?
- chewz 7y ago
  War no, confrontation yes.
  - thenewwazoo 7y ago
    Pick up your rifle, then, soldier.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    "Drop a single rocket on Beijing" is "war", not just "confrontation".
donaldknuth123 7y ago
>we aren't even going to drop a single rocket on Beijing? You are being naive. Are you really ready to risk WW3/Nuclear War to support these protests?
mikeash 7y ago
Would you kill a billion for the sake of 8 million?
rolltiide 7y ago
The constitution of Hong Kong known as the "basic law" allows for Beijing's military action. Corresponding mainland Chinese law allows for military action in Hong Kong when things seem unmanageable for the city's government. Defacing state property and paralyzing the airport seem to be Exhibit A and B? There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Even under a foreign power's "national security interests", Hong Kong is pretty much an administrative convenience to asian markets than an outlier, as China knows how to run markets these days and has little qualms about capitalist functions, so it is very unlikely that major market disruptions would happen from even the most extreme scenarios imagined here. As such "rockets on Beijing" let alone any foreign diplomatic recognition of these internal issues would be very counterproductive. In this case for whats productive, use this analogy: think of it more like a theorist in Ohio wondering if DC is causing a false flag attempt during a period of unrest in a US state or dependent territory. That theorist is never suggesting that a neighboring or powerful country intervene, while still being passionate about the idea that the unrest is being propelled in order to justify state control. Might be true, might not, doesn't matter, but still the only outlet to express discontent than suggesting a third party drop rockets on the capital!
- pimmen 7y ago
  > There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Doing it just to effectively end "One China, two systems" would absolutely be breaking a teaty. Which is illegal.
  - BlueonMount 7y ago
    HK’s security is fundamentally derived from Chinese military power. Mainland soldiers are regularly stationed in HK. This is part of what One China means.
    - pimmen 7y ago
      Yes, but if the populations want ”One China, two systems” enforced and the PLA stops that by force, it’s not really about the security of Hong Kong anymore. It’s using the military to subjugate its population rather than protecting them.
BlueonMount 7y ago
This is not true. HK total population is less than 8 million. Even you count half of them as young, that’s 4 million. Most of these young people have meaningful things to do, such as school or work. The ones that are on the street are typically not nice at all.