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and so what? the tax payer pays for a lot of things that it makes sense for the tax payer to pay for. at least with health insurance you can bemoan paying for o

and so what? the tax payer pays for a lot of things that it makes sense for the tax payer to pay for. at least with health insurance you can bemoan paying for other people's irresponsible lifestyle but with maternity leave almost everyone withdraws from the trust in the same way?

AdrianB1 7y ago
Presenting facts: reality in my country tells that universal maternity and paternity leaves are the most abused systems and tax payers are not happy with this. The low income people have a huge number of children (2 sisters with 33 kids in total were most discussed) just to live on taxpayers money, they never worked between childbirths. Also there are so many people pay huge taxes and never qualify to get anything in return (have no kids). Many people here believe that caring for your kids should be the parent's responsibility, not anybody else's.
- mlevental 7y ago
  >Presenting facts: reality in my country tells that universal maternity and paternity leaves are the most abused systems and tax payers are not happy with this. googling "canada paternity maternity leave abuse" gets no matching hits. show me >The low income people have a huge number of children (2 sisters with 33 kids in total were most discussed) just to live on taxpayers money, they never worked between childbirths. average number of children in canada in 2011 was less than 2. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002... how many standard deviations away from that mean is ~16 children? so you're talking about decrying a social policy that overwhelmingly improves outcomes for women, children, and communities https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-96/september-2018/NANDI_et_al-2018-The_Milbank_Quarterly.pdf https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-96/sept... because some poor person somewhere once had a bunch of kids. these are distorted facts (or what we in /my/ country, like to call fake news).
  - AdrianB1 7y ago
    Well, here there are 2 categories of people (with exceptions, of course): people that have 1-2 kids and take a very short leave and people that have 5-15 kids just to live on the checks they get for the kids. You don't have that yet because we started a long time ago, but it does not mean you will not repeat the history, again and again. So yes, you are right, it works now in Canada, we were there 30-40 years ago. Look where we are today before answering.

AdrianB1 7y ago

Presenting facts: reality in my country tells that universal maternity and paternity leaves are the most abused systems and tax payers are not happy with this. The low income people have a huge number of children (2 sisters with 33 kids in total were most discussed) just to live on taxpayers money, they never worked between childbirths. Also there are so many people pay huge taxes and never qualify to get anything in return (have no kids). Many people here believe that caring for your kids should be the parent's responsibility, not anybody else's.

mlevental 7y ago
>Presenting facts: reality in my country tells that universal maternity and paternity leaves are the most abused systems and tax payers are not happy with this. googling "canada paternity maternity leave abuse" gets no matching hits. show me >The low income people have a huge number of children (2 sisters with 33 kids in total were most discussed) just to live on taxpayers money, they never worked between childbirths. average number of children in canada in 2011 was less than 2. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2014002... how many standard deviations away from that mean is ~16 children? so you're talking about decrying a social policy that overwhelmingly improves outcomes for women, children, and communities https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-96/september-2018/NANDI_et_al-2018-The_Milbank_Quarterly.pdf https://www.milbank.org/wp-content/uploads/mq/volume-96/sept... because some poor person somewhere once had a bunch of kids. these are distorted facts (or what we in /my/ country, like to call fake news).
- AdrianB1 7y ago
  Well, here there are 2 categories of people (with exceptions, of course): people that have 1-2 kids and take a very short leave and people that have 5-15 kids just to live on the checks they get for the kids. You don't have that yet because we started a long time ago, but it does not mean you will not repeat the history, again and again. So yes, you are right, it works now in Canada, we were there 30-40 years ago. Look where we are today before answering.