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Am not so sure about this, the current emphasis on "territorial integrity" is IMO as much, if not more of, a result of PRC propaganda as established on any hist

Am not so sure about this, the current emphasis on "territorial integrity" is IMO as much, if not more of, a result of PRC propaganda as established on any historical basis.

mytailorisrich 7y ago
It is not PRC propaganda. It's the other way round: PRC propaganda exploits this national feeling.
- loyukfai 7y ago
  Source?
  - markus_zhang 7y ago
    History book.
    - loyukfai 7y ago
      Which one(s)?
- nugga 7y ago
  How do you qualify what constitutes a part of the country though? A whole lot of land changing hands and being conquered by force happened throughout the world's history. I wonder how much of that unity sentiment is/was constructed and pushed on by leadership due to the area around current China being littered with competing kingdoms and a lot of internal strife and disarray throughout its history, not just the past 100 years. In Chinese cinema, or at least some films, the theme of unity and to some extent 'glorious leadership' seems to be prevalent. Just came to mind that even in some Jet Li films (or equivalent) set in more ancient times you could probably be faced with some monologues or statements to that tune and at least I was a bit taken aback by how blatant it felt.
  - mytailorisrich 7y ago
    Hong Kong was not the only port grabbed by foreign powers. There was also Macau, Xiamen, Shanghai, Tianjin, Dalian, Qingdao... I might forget others. It's trying to push a narrative to argue what is part of the country...
    - nugga 7y ago
      The 'narrative' on the international stage often times seems to be might is right. Cute mythological stories hardly change that. Almost everything we appear to hold so dear and immutable or self evident seems kinda arbitrary depending on how far back you go and whether you consider yourself part of this team or that. Nationalism or tribalism is a whole lot of make believe, is what I'm saying.
echaozh 7y ago
No. 900 years ago, a Chinese general tried to take back land from northern nomads and got killed.[0] And he was honored for 9 centuries in the country, even by Qing emperors who themselves were decendants of the northern nomads. In Hangzhou, there was a temple built for him. 7 and a half centuries before Yue Fei, there were Liu Yu[1]. 100 years before him there was Zu Ti. They both tried to fight northern nomads, and were remembered till this day due to their success. Unification of the nation IS in the genes of the people. There is no question of that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Fei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Fei [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wu_of_Liu_Song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wu_of_Liu_Song
- loyukfai 7y ago
  >Unification of the nation IS in the genes of the people. There is no question of that. Citation needed. Cherry picked facts are not universal truth...

Am not so sure about this, the current emphasis on "territorial integrity" is IMO as much, if not more of, a result of PRC propaganda as established on any historical basis.

mytailorisrich 7y ago

It is not PRC propaganda. It's the other way round: PRC propaganda exploits this national feeling.

loyukfai 7y ago
Source?
- markus_zhang 7y ago
  History book.
  - loyukfai 7y ago
    Which one(s)?
nugga 7y ago
How do you qualify what constitutes a part of the country though? A whole lot of land changing hands and being conquered by force happened throughout the world's history. I wonder how much of that unity sentiment is/was constructed and pushed on by leadership due to the area around current China being littered with competing kingdoms and a lot of internal strife and disarray throughout its history, not just the past 100 years. In Chinese cinema, or at least some films, the theme of unity and to some extent 'glorious leadership' seems to be prevalent. Just came to mind that even in some Jet Li films (or equivalent) set in more ancient times you could probably be faced with some monologues or statements to that tune and at least I was a bit taken aback by how blatant it felt.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago
  Hong Kong was not the only port grabbed by foreign powers. There was also Macau, Xiamen, Shanghai, Tianjin, Dalian, Qingdao... I might forget others. It's trying to push a narrative to argue what is part of the country...
  - nugga 7y ago
    The 'narrative' on the international stage often times seems to be might is right. Cute mythological stories hardly change that. Almost everything we appear to hold so dear and immutable or self evident seems kinda arbitrary depending on how far back you go and whether you consider yourself part of this team or that. Nationalism or tribalism is a whole lot of make believe, is what I'm saying.

echaozh 7y ago

No. 900 years ago, a Chinese general tried to take back land from northern nomads and got killed.[0] And he was honored for 9 centuries in the country, even by Qing emperors who themselves were decendants of the northern nomads. In Hangzhou, there was a temple built for him. 7 and a half centuries before Yue Fei, there were Liu Yu[1]. 100 years before him there was Zu Ti. They both tried to fight northern nomads, and were remembered till this day due to their success. Unification of the nation IS in the genes of the people. There is no question of that. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Fei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yue_Fei [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wu_of_Liu_Song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wu_of_Liu_Song

loyukfai 7y ago
>Unification of the nation IS in the genes of the people. There is no question of that. Citation needed. Cherry picked facts are not universal truth...