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I have friends who are doing this. They live on land rent-free which is owned by someone who wishes property ownership wasn't a thing. They grow their own food.

I have friends who are doing this. They live on land rent-free which is owned by someone who wishes property ownership wasn't a thing. They grow their own food. They dumpster dive for perfectly good food. They process and eat roadkill deer. These people live fulfilling lives and work to contribute to each others' well-being and the well-being of others. I'm working on finding a similar living situation for my partner and our child. Your ideas about what happens when someone quits the rat race are false and fear-based. We don't live in a kill-or-be-killed world and we have many choices about how we live.

heavenlyblue 7y ago
What happens to the deer population when everyone in the US starts road-killing them for food?
- crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
  There are literally a whole ecosystems to learn to be interdependent with. Farming is still a thing, too. The deer are simply a single example of a way to eat. Hunting is also a thing. Don't buy into the myths of scarcity and learned helplessness society uses to get people to play along. Everyone's capable of learning how to reconnect with and be an active contributor to nature. We simply have a society that operates competitively with nature, rather than mutualistically, and it shows.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Sorry, hunter-gatherer never supported a civilization. It took big Ag to feed a city full of people. The back-to-nature theme is fine for privileged landowning educated people. But the vast majority of everybody everywhere is dependent on the local grocery.
    - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
      That's a choice everyone's making. There are other ways, and big Ag isn't the only one. Sitting in the current solutions instead of looking to evolve them and learning from the past isn't how hypersanity works. And yes, hypersanity is probably the most extreme form of privilege. Also, the back-to-nature theme is great, not merely fine, and something indigenous cultures are trying to reclaim as a human birthright. They're arguably way less privileged by your standards. Privilege isn't a reason to dismiss a good idea. Treating nature as something to live with collaboratively rather than avoid or treat as subservient/separate from us isn't privilege. It's science. Mutualism > competition.
      - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        If it comes to 'hunt your own food' then no, 'living with nature' that will would starve billions. While Big Ag feeds them, in a fragile pipeline of varying yields and weather. Its 'privileged' to preach that nonsense to apartment-dwelling two-shift-working people with barely the time to visit the bodega on the way home. Its 'privileged' to imagine this approach to live could be for more than indigenous peoples (rapidly dying out, why is that do you think?) and upper-class first-world wealthy dilettantes.
        crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
        You're projecting a lot of things onto what I'm saying. I never claimed hunter-gatherer was for everyone. Getting back to nature is. That's science. Privilege is there to be shared. This includes privileged wisdom. Indigenous cultures are dying out due to settlers and colonizers decimating their lands, cultures, and people. This is not news. It has nothing to do with their way of life, aside from not having developed appropriate weapons and immune systems from those who would seek to kill/displace them. As for the global food problem, I personally hypothesize capitalism needs to fall or radically transform before that can be addressed. Learning to peacefully and freely share food seems like the simplest way to address current food issues, but people's desire for money seems to get in the way.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
- htek 7y ago
  With their natural predators mostly eradicated, the deer population could do with a good culling in many states. Disclaimer: I've eaten deer in the past. However, now I'm not so sure I'd choose deer as a protein source. I'd rather not expose myself to Chronic Wasting Disease[1]. It is not a pleasant way to die. 1. https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html

heavenlyblue 7y ago

What happens to the deer population when everyone in the US starts road-killing them for food?

crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
There are literally a whole ecosystems to learn to be interdependent with. Farming is still a thing, too. The deer are simply a single example of a way to eat. Hunting is also a thing. Don't buy into the myths of scarcity and learned helplessness society uses to get people to play along. Everyone's capable of learning how to reconnect with and be an active contributor to nature. We simply have a society that operates competitively with nature, rather than mutualistically, and it shows.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Sorry, hunter-gatherer never supported a civilization. It took big Ag to feed a city full of people. The back-to-nature theme is fine for privileged landowning educated people. But the vast majority of everybody everywhere is dependent on the local grocery.
  - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
    That's a choice everyone's making. There are other ways, and big Ag isn't the only one. Sitting in the current solutions instead of looking to evolve them and learning from the past isn't how hypersanity works. And yes, hypersanity is probably the most extreme form of privilege. Also, the back-to-nature theme is great, not merely fine, and something indigenous cultures are trying to reclaim as a human birthright. They're arguably way less privileged by your standards. Privilege isn't a reason to dismiss a good idea. Treating nature as something to live with collaboratively rather than avoid or treat as subservient/separate from us isn't privilege. It's science. Mutualism > competition.
    - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
      If it comes to 'hunt your own food' then no, 'living with nature' that will would starve billions. While Big Ag feeds them, in a fragile pipeline of varying yields and weather. Its 'privileged' to preach that nonsense to apartment-dwelling two-shift-working people with barely the time to visit the bodega on the way home. Its 'privileged' to imagine this approach to live could be for more than indigenous peoples (rapidly dying out, why is that do you think?) and upper-class first-world wealthy dilettantes.
      - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
        You're projecting a lot of things onto what I'm saying. I never claimed hunter-gatherer was for everyone. Getting back to nature is. That's science. Privilege is there to be shared. This includes privileged wisdom. Indigenous cultures are dying out due to settlers and colonizers decimating their lands, cultures, and people. This is not news. It has nothing to do with their way of life, aside from not having developed appropriate weapons and immune systems from those who would seek to kill/displace them. As for the global food problem, I personally hypothesize capitalism needs to fall or radically transform before that can be addressed. Learning to peacefully and freely share food seems like the simplest way to address current food issues, but people's desire for money seems to get in the way.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
htek 7y ago
With their natural predators mostly eradicated, the deer population could do with a good culling in many states. Disclaimer: I've eaten deer in the past. However, now I'm not so sure I'd choose deer as a protein source. I'd rather not expose myself to Chronic Wasting Disease[1]. It is not a pleasant way to die. 1. https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html