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I can believe they’re overtaking slack because they make Teams an aggressive default install with the Office 365 client, and it’s replacing Skype for Business.

by Neil44 7y ago

grezql 7y ago
We use teams at work. Most people i know cant stand it. Its chatoix UI. 10 tabs on each «teams». Ive deleted the app. Whenever someone tags me i just open their browser app, reply and close. Even having the tab open sometimes causes cpu and memory spike and my laptop fans starts wirring. If they kill skype/lync for teams, MS is making a huge mistake. Lync and Outlook are the most distraction free softwares we use.
- freeone3000 7y ago
  Skype for Business (Lync) was discontinued in July, and support will stop July 31, 2021.
  - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
    Hold up, what? I was using it until last week (I'm no longer with that company), and it was the semi-de-facto IM solution, because the entire team isn't on Slack, and worked well enough to serve our needs- the person we want to talk to is at another location right then (we moved around a lot) and we needed to talk to them. Discontinuation is news to me.
  - senectus1 7y ago
    yeah thats not quite right: Microsoft announced that Skype for Business online will retire on July 31, 2021. They still sell the product, and the hybrid/on premises solution is going to be around for a while. MS Teams will replace the "Online" only. There is no "on Premises" solution for Teams so S4B will be around a while I think.
- delfinom 7y ago
  Lync itself is decent from a UX standpoint. But holy fucking batman, the backend for Lync is an absolute nightmare to setup and maintain. I wouldn't blame Microsoft for wanting to get rid of Lync just to be rid of it.
  - senectus1 7y ago
    what? are you serious? Lync and Skype for Business UX is an abomination. I rage every day any time I have to use it, and I've been using it for about 10 years. Its the worse UX in any app I've ever had, I find GIMP easier to navigate than S4B.
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  That is a bit odd I have never seen teams spike my laptop and I have outlook and excel and an ubuntu vm plus a load of other stuff running
rdm_blackhole 7y ago
That's correct. The company where I am currently working at was using Slack but recently decided to stop paying for Slack and instead use Teams since they were already paying for a subscription to Office 365 for each employee. I hate it. My colleagues hate it. The UI is terrible. Most of the time navigating between the channels is a pain and the UI is just horrendous. I think the funniest thing that was released lately was the 6 emojis that you can use on a message(thumbs up, love heart ...). The emojis are of bad quality and look like crap. Anyway, you can't pay me enough to use this stuff and as the author said in this article, if and when I change jobs I will be making sure that the team I start on will not use this sorry excuse of bloatware.
- deathhand 7y ago
  Please educate us on your compliance requirements that allows you to 'throw the baby out with the bath water'
- jimnotgym 7y ago
  >The emojis are of bad quality and look like crap. Maybe an oversite on my part, but I didn't even consider this as I was evaluating an enterprise productivity app...
  - empath75 7y ago
    I think people underestimate the value in making intra office communication an enjoyable experience.
  - ptx 7y ago
    An ugly and unpleasant working environment can affect your productivity.
    - jointpdf 7y ago
      If “the emojis are of bad quality” is what constitutes an ugly and unpleasant working environment in 2019, I’d say the future is looking bright indeed.
jimnotgym 7y ago
It is not in fact installed with every Office 365 install. I just had Teams pushed with a separate group policy because of this. They will overtake Slack easily since it is a free addition to most 365 plans
- EvanAnderson 7y ago
  Newer Office 365 client builds are installing it by default. Worse, they didn't move away from the per-user installation. Instead they just took the brain-damaged route of force-installing it inside each user's profile when they logon. I think that's a real dick move, but, then again, I sometimes think I'm the last admin in the world who gives a damn about efficiency.
  - jimnotgym 7y ago
    Again it depends. I downloaded an installer only yesterday that did not have it, even when it was part of the subscription. It is also not being pushed as an office update to my users yet. But then again I haven't checked if that is because WSUS is holding it back
- Neil44 7y ago
  If you take a blank W10 machine and do a 365 fat client install on it you get the ‘Teams machine wide installer’ installed on it, which then hooks the teams installer in on a per login basis. Your workplace must have endpoint management in place that somehow prevents this.

I can believe they’re overtaking slack because they make Teams an aggressive default install with the Office 365 client, and it’s replacing Skype for Business.

by Neil44 7y ago

I can believe they’re overtaking slack because they make Teams an aggressive default install with the Office 365 client, and it’s replacing Skype for Business.

grezql 7y ago

We use teams at work. Most people i know cant stand it. Its chatoix UI. 10 tabs on each «teams». Ive deleted the app. Whenever someone tags me i just open their browser app, reply and close. Even having the tab open sometimes causes cpu and memory spike and my laptop fans starts wirring. If they kill skype/lync for teams, MS is making a huge mistake. Lync and Outlook are the most distraction free softwares we use.

freeone3000 7y ago
Skype for Business (Lync) was discontinued in July, and support will stop July 31, 2021.
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
  Hold up, what? I was using it until last week (I'm no longer with that company), and it was the semi-de-facto IM solution, because the entire team isn't on Slack, and worked well enough to serve our needs- the person we want to talk to is at another location right then (we moved around a lot) and we needed to talk to them. Discontinuation is news to me.
- senectus1 7y ago
  yeah thats not quite right: Microsoft announced that Skype for Business online will retire on July 31, 2021. They still sell the product, and the hybrid/on premises solution is going to be around for a while. MS Teams will replace the "Online" only. There is no "on Premises" solution for Teams so S4B will be around a while I think.
delfinom 7y ago
Lync itself is decent from a UX standpoint. But holy fucking batman, the backend for Lync is an absolute nightmare to setup and maintain. I wouldn't blame Microsoft for wanting to get rid of Lync just to be rid of it.
- senectus1 7y ago
  what? are you serious? Lync and Skype for Business UX is an abomination. I rage every day any time I have to use it, and I've been using it for about 10 years. Its the worse UX in any app I've ever had, I find GIMP easier to navigate than S4B.
C1sc0cat 7y ago
That is a bit odd I have never seen teams spike my laptop and I have outlook and excel and an ubuntu vm plus a load of other stuff running

rdm_blackhole 7y ago

That's correct. The company where I am currently working at was using Slack but recently decided to stop paying for Slack and instead use Teams since they were already paying for a subscription to Office 365 for each employee. I hate it. My colleagues hate it. The UI is terrible. Most of the time navigating between the channels is a pain and the UI is just horrendous. I think the funniest thing that was released lately was the 6 emojis that you can use on a message(thumbs up, love heart ...). The emojis are of bad quality and look like crap. Anyway, you can't pay me enough to use this stuff and as the author said in this article, if and when I change jobs I will be making sure that the team I start on will not use this sorry excuse of bloatware.

deathhand 7y ago
Please educate us on your compliance requirements that allows you to 'throw the baby out with the bath water'
jimnotgym 7y ago
>The emojis are of bad quality and look like crap. Maybe an oversite on my part, but I didn't even consider this as I was evaluating an enterprise productivity app...
- empath75 7y ago
  I think people underestimate the value in making intra office communication an enjoyable experience.
- ptx 7y ago
  An ugly and unpleasant working environment can affect your productivity.
  - jointpdf 7y ago
    If “the emojis are of bad quality” is what constitutes an ugly and unpleasant working environment in 2019, I’d say the future is looking bright indeed.

jimnotgym 7y ago

It is not in fact installed with every Office 365 install. I just had Teams pushed with a separate group policy because of this. They will overtake Slack easily since it is a free addition to most 365 plans

EvanAnderson 7y ago
Newer Office 365 client builds are installing it by default. Worse, they didn't move away from the per-user installation. Instead they just took the brain-damaged route of force-installing it inside each user's profile when they logon. I think that's a real dick move, but, then again, I sometimes think I'm the last admin in the world who gives a damn about efficiency.
- jimnotgym 7y ago
  Again it depends. I downloaded an installer only yesterday that did not have it, even when it was part of the subscription. It is also not being pushed as an office update to my users yet. But then again I haven't checked if that is because WSUS is holding it back
Neil44 7y ago
If you take a blank W10 machine and do a 365 fat client install on it you get the ‘Teams machine wide installer’ installed on it, which then hooks the teams installer in on a per login basis. Your workplace must have endpoint management in place that somehow prevents this.