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Do they have a front yard? I'd price out the cost to trench to a NEMA 6-15 (240v/15a) socket on a pole near the curb where they park. This will get you 3.6kW us

Do they have a front yard? I'd price out the cost to trench to a NEMA 6-15 (240v/15a) socket on a pole near the curb where they park. This will get you 3.6kW using the ubiquitous gauge (read: cheap) electrical wiring, which will give a Hyundai Kona about 12 miles per hour of charging. More than adequate as a daily driver, and they can always hit a rapid charge station on the rare event that they drive more than 120 or so miles back-to-back over two consecutive days. Amortize the cost of installation against the savings they'll have by spending 1/3 of the amount that they currently spend for gasoline.

throw0101a 7y ago
That won't work for a few reasons: first, it's a one-way street, and parking is on the side that they are not on. Second, having a cord across the sidewalk is a tripping hazard and illegal: * https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/09/01/toronto-electric-car-owner-stuck-trying-to-charge-car-on-the-street.html https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/09/01/toronto-electric... * https://archive.is/29o0a https://archive.is/29o0a (in case) Third: street parking is common, so even if the above two items were not a problem, there is no guarantee that there would be a space in front of their place.
- steelframe 7y ago
  Yeah, sounds like they're just about maximally impeded from charging at their home. They'd have to hit a rapid charging station once or twice a week. If they work, then charging at work can be a thing, which is what I do. But for the record, I was suggesting installing the charge port at the curb, if at all possible. Cords across sidewalks aren't just a tripping hazard. If they come loose, they can make life difficult for people with disabilities too. There's no reason they couldn't spring for a PHEV though and opportunistically charge where they can while out shopping or whatever. Every little bit helps.
  - throw0101a 7y ago
    > But for the record, I was suggesting installing the charge port at the curb, if at all possible. Typical sidewalk in older parts of the city (use Street View): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Westminster+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Westminster+Ave,+Toront... Even if one lived on the "parking-side" of such a street (which my parents do not), there's no way installing a charge point without messing up the sidewalk. And there's no way people would agree to messing up the clear sidewalks we have on the residential streets. The busier commercial streets are another matter; around the corner in the same neighbourhood: * https://www.google.com/maps/place/385+Roncesvalles+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/385+Roncesvalles+Ave,+Toro... > There's no reason they couldn't spring for a PHEV though and opportunistically charge where they can while out shopping or whatever. Every little bit helps. Yes, but the originating article was about the elimination of hybrids by GM and VW: this is a non-starter for some folks.

throw0101a 7y ago

That won't work for a few reasons: first, it's a one-way street, and parking is on the side that they are not on. Second, having a cord across the sidewalk is a tripping hazard and illegal: * https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/09/01/toronto-electric-car-owner-stuck-trying-to-charge-car-on-the-street.html https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/09/01/toronto-electric... * https://archive.is/29o0a https://archive.is/29o0a (in case) Third: street parking is common, so even if the above two items were not a problem, there is no guarantee that there would be a space in front of their place.

steelframe 7y ago
Yeah, sounds like they're just about maximally impeded from charging at their home. They'd have to hit a rapid charging station once or twice a week. If they work, then charging at work can be a thing, which is what I do. But for the record, I was suggesting installing the charge port at the curb, if at all possible. Cords across sidewalks aren't just a tripping hazard. If they come loose, they can make life difficult for people with disabilities too. There's no reason they couldn't spring for a PHEV though and opportunistically charge where they can while out shopping or whatever. Every little bit helps.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > But for the record, I was suggesting installing the charge port at the curb, if at all possible. Typical sidewalk in older parts of the city (use Street View): * https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Westminster+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/50+Westminster+Ave,+Toront... Even if one lived on the "parking-side" of such a street (which my parents do not), there's no way installing a charge point without messing up the sidewalk. And there's no way people would agree to messing up the clear sidewalks we have on the residential streets. The busier commercial streets are another matter; around the corner in the same neighbourhood: * https://www.google.com/maps/place/385+Roncesvalles+Ave,+Toronto,+ON https://www.google.com/maps/place/385+Roncesvalles+Ave,+Toro... > There's no reason they couldn't spring for a PHEV though and opportunistically charge where they can while out shopping or whatever. Every little bit helps. Yes, but the originating article was about the elimination of hybrids by GM and VW: this is a non-starter for some folks.