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And yet business owners aren't rushing to install chargers, even in places where I'll regularly see a bunch of EVs on my way through the parking lot. So that th

by chc 7y ago

And yet business owners aren't rushing to install chargers, even in places where I'll regularly see a bunch of EVs on my way through the parking lot. So that theory doesn't seem to pan out.

pi-rat 7y ago
Here in Norway they do (about 50% of new cars are electric, so there’s always someone in need of charging) The local convenience store might have 1 or 2[1], big shops like IKEA might have 20+ free AC charging spots, and 5-6+ DC fast chargers[2] (costs money). [1]: https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3579898,5.3582122,3a,42.9y,95.5h,83.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slPTlqyvTM5glmhybnYlYUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3579898,5.3582122,3a,42.9y,9... [2]: https://www.google.com/maps/@60.4750298,5.3308811,3a,75y,23.73h,97.77t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szisOHgSeHwnNX9Acla5I3w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DzisOHgSeHwnNX9Acla5I3w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.19373%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@60.4750298,5.3308811,3a,75y,23....
kennywinker 7y ago
> So that theory doesn't seem to pan out. There are many reasons why my theory could still be valid but the circumstances have not yet kicked in. Awareness of the potential for profit could be missing. I assume the cost of installing EV charge stations is still coming down. EVs are definitely still largely a luxury item in north america, so usually owned by drivers with garages. and of course, the percentage of EV cars could still be too low to justify the infrastructure. So, my theory may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's still largely untested.
wutbrodo 7y ago
It's because we don't live in the metaphorical frictionless vacuum where the speed of light is infinite. Less pithily, complex, multi-stakeholder ecosystems don't instantaneously adapt to shifts in incentives, but that doesn't mean that we can't reason about tendencies that will shape long-term equilibria.

by chc 7y ago

And yet business owners aren't rushing to install chargers, even in places where I'll regularly see a bunch of EVs on my way through the parking lot. So that theory doesn't seem to pan out.

pi-rat 7y ago

Here in Norway they do (about 50% of new cars are electric, so there’s always someone in need of charging) The local convenience store might have 1 or 2[1], big shops like IKEA might have 20+ free AC charging spots, and 5-6+ DC fast chargers[2] (costs money). [1]: https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3579898,5.3582122,3a,42.9y,95.5h,83.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slPTlqyvTM5glmhybnYlYUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@60.3579898,5.3582122,3a,42.9y,9... [2]: https://www.google.com/maps/@60.4750298,5.3308811,3a,75y,23.73h,97.77t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szisOHgSeHwnNX9Acla5I3w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DzisOHgSeHwnNX9Acla5I3w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.19373%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@60.4750298,5.3308811,3a,75y,23....

kennywinker 7y ago

> So that theory doesn't seem to pan out. There are many reasons why my theory could still be valid but the circumstances have not yet kicked in. Awareness of the potential for profit could be missing. I assume the cost of installing EV charge stations is still coming down. EVs are definitely still largely a luxury item in north america, so usually owned by drivers with garages. and of course, the percentage of EV cars could still be too low to justify the infrastructure. So, my theory may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's still largely untested.

wutbrodo 7y ago

It's because we don't live in the metaphorical frictionless vacuum where the speed of light is infinite. Less pithily, complex, multi-stakeholder ecosystems don't instantaneously adapt to shifts in incentives, but that doesn't mean that we can't reason about tendencies that will shape long-term equilibria.