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Charging an EV is not really like filling up with gas. You need a slightly different mindset. You're not going to be waiting around constantly for your car to

Charging an EV is not really like filling up with gas. You need a slightly different mindset. You're not going to be waiting around constantly for your car to finish charging. In reality, you're charging at night while you're sleeping. Or charging at work while you're working. Or charging at the supermarket while you buy your groceries.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
The article is about how people can't charge while they are at sleep. There's going to be a huge portion of people who can't charge at work. I guess you have to charge at groceries, which you'll need to go to every day. Though the grocery store will need to be dramatically refitted to support that, and will need to justify having a power grid the size of their parking lot increasing their power bill just because it's convenient for people. It's hard to justify why a grocery store would want to do that.
- benj111 7y ago
  Why would you need to do it every day? EV ranges are rising above 200 miles, that's an order of magnitude higher than most peoples commutes, so for most people once a week would be enough. Shops would do it because money and footfall.
  - nybble41 7y ago
    > Why would you need to do it every day? Because people are talking about how it only takes a short time to recharge enough to offset one day's commute. That only works, though, if you charge every day. If you only charge weekly then you're stuck waiting to recover 200 miles' worth of charge at a time in preparation for the next week. If you're using a fast-charger near somewhere you need to be anyway for an hour or two every week, great. Otherwise that adds up to a lot of wasted time—and human time is the least renewable resource we have.
    - benj111 7y ago
      Sketchybeasts concern was people "who haven't got time to charge their machines for an hour or two". Which suggests a once a week thing, which is why I suggested putting them in the supermarket, Sketchybeast then suggested they'd need to be charged everyday, and had previously, which is why I pointed out that they can easily be charged once a week. So yes, I agree.
- Reason077 7y ago
  The grocery store won't be giving away the electricity for free. Maybe they'll subsidise it a bit if they realise that offering charging brings more traffic to their store. But it won't be free any more than gas stations give away free gas! The electricity grid already extends to most workplaces, most urban streets, most parking lots. Destination charging, where you're plugging in for hours rather than minutes, doesn't need a huge industrial grid connection like super-fast charging hubs do. Sure, infrastructure needs to be developed, but it's manageable and it will happen easily enough once the demand is there.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    I wonder how much capacity it takes to power a parking lot full of street lights vs a parking lot full of Teslas. I imagine it's a wide gap - each Tesla draws about 1.4 kW[1], while each streetlight draws 80 watts[2]. [1] https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-h... [2] https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/MarinaAvetisyan.shtml https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/MarinaAvetisyan.shtml
- cestith 7y ago
  Some city dwellers live near only dodegas, convenience stores, and fast food shops. The corner pantry isn't going to install a parking lot in some cases, let alone car chargers.
  - RandallBrown 7y ago
    But those city dwellers likely drive considerably less than people with a garage and don't really need to constantly find a charger.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

The article is about how people can't charge while they are at sleep. There's going to be a huge portion of people who can't charge at work. I guess you have to charge at groceries, which you'll need to go to every day. Though the grocery store will need to be dramatically refitted to support that, and will need to justify having a power grid the size of their parking lot increasing their power bill just because it's convenient for people. It's hard to justify why a grocery store would want to do that.

benj111 7y ago
Why would you need to do it every day? EV ranges are rising above 200 miles, that's an order of magnitude higher than most peoples commutes, so for most people once a week would be enough. Shops would do it because money and footfall.
- nybble41 7y ago
  > Why would you need to do it every day? Because people are talking about how it only takes a short time to recharge enough to offset one day's commute. That only works, though, if you charge every day. If you only charge weekly then you're stuck waiting to recover 200 miles' worth of charge at a time in preparation for the next week. If you're using a fast-charger near somewhere you need to be anyway for an hour or two every week, great. Otherwise that adds up to a lot of wasted time—and human time is the least renewable resource we have.
  - benj111 7y ago
    Sketchybeasts concern was people "who haven't got time to charge their machines for an hour or two". Which suggests a once a week thing, which is why I suggested putting them in the supermarket, Sketchybeast then suggested they'd need to be charged everyday, and had previously, which is why I pointed out that they can easily be charged once a week. So yes, I agree.
Reason077 7y ago
The grocery store won't be giving away the electricity for free. Maybe they'll subsidise it a bit if they realise that offering charging brings more traffic to their store. But it won't be free any more than gas stations give away free gas! The electricity grid already extends to most workplaces, most urban streets, most parking lots. Destination charging, where you're plugging in for hours rather than minutes, doesn't need a huge industrial grid connection like super-fast charging hubs do. Sure, infrastructure needs to be developed, but it's manageable and it will happen easily enough once the demand is there.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  I wonder how much capacity it takes to power a parking lot full of street lights vs a parking lot full of Teslas. I imagine it's a wide gap - each Tesla draws about 1.4 kW[1], while each streetlight draws 80 watts[2]. [1] https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-home-public-autonomously/ https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn/tesla-model-s-charging-h... [2] https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/MarinaAvetisyan.shtml https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2004/MarinaAvetisyan.shtml
cestith 7y ago
Some city dwellers live near only dodegas, convenience stores, and fast food shops. The corner pantry isn't going to install a parking lot in some cases, let alone car chargers.
- RandallBrown 7y ago
  But those city dwellers likely drive considerably less than people with a garage and don't really need to constantly find a charger.