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Since it does not take an hour to charge for a normal drive, maybe you are the one with bad timing. If a person is driving 30 miles or less a day they only nee

Since it does not take an hour to charge for a normal drive, maybe you are the one with bad timing. If a person is driving 30 miles or less a day they only need less than 10 minutes charging to get by.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
Yeah, I didn't consider the reduced time required for the short trip. Though that's adding 10 minutes to every electric car owners commute, isn't it? Can you imagine a large portion of the city all trying to charge up every night?
- gmanley 7y ago
  Electricity rates and demand are insanely low during the night. In fact whole sale rates can dip into the negatives where they will literally pay you to use electricity. Aluminum smelting plants run during this time. Even if everyone suddenly started charging cars at night at the most we would be back close to daytime demand, but more math is needed.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Sorry, not night - evening - when everyone is all headed home and when one typically would fill up one's car.
    - gmanley 7y ago
      Gotcha, that’s actually the time of peak demand and adding a whole new class of high power consumption during that time is indeed scary. In the UK for example where it’s tea time then as well and a bunch of people put on electric kettles. Utilities do a lot of work during that time load balancing and borrowing from other regions for extra power.
lonelappde 7y ago
Taking your car to the fuel station every day is a nuisance. ICE cars only need to go about once a week.
- AshleyGrant 7y ago
  And most people can get by with charging a current gen long range EV once a week if they don't have a charger at their residence. Not everyone, but most people drive less than 250 miles a week.
- stetrain 7y ago
  In that scenario stopping at a charger every day would be silly. Stop once a week at a charger that's near a grocery store, movie theater, restaurant, etc. Both of my local Tesla chargers are near grocery stores. Electrify America is installing chargers at Wal-Mart. Charging an EV is less like going to a gas station and more like picking a place to go that happens to have EV chargers while you do other things.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    > Both of my local Tesla chargers are near grocery stores. How close? Can you push your cart back to them? > Electrify America is installing chargers at Wal-Mart. How many? If we want this whole "electric car" thing to take off, you're looking at, what, 50% of the whole parking lot? Not a half dozen stalls right beside the store.
    - RandallBrown 7y ago
      Not the post you responded to, but I've seen 20-30 Tesla chargers in the parking lots of several grocery stores. You could very easily push your cart to them. I imagine Electrify America is installing a number that they believe will meet the current demand of electric vehicles. They don't need to fill the parking lot for the hypothetical future where everyone has an EV. That will still take some time and they can easily scale up as they need to.
    - stetrain 7y ago

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

Yeah, I didn't consider the reduced time required for the short trip. Though that's adding 10 minutes to every electric car owners commute, isn't it? Can you imagine a large portion of the city all trying to charge up every night?

gmanley 7y ago
Electricity rates and demand are insanely low during the night. In fact whole sale rates can dip into the negatives where they will literally pay you to use electricity. Aluminum smelting plants run during this time. Even if everyone suddenly started charging cars at night at the most we would be back close to daytime demand, but more math is needed.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  Sorry, not night - evening - when everyone is all headed home and when one typically would fill up one's car.
  - gmanley 7y ago
    Gotcha, that’s actually the time of peak demand and adding a whole new class of high power consumption during that time is indeed scary. In the UK for example where it’s tea time then as well and a bunch of people put on electric kettles. Utilities do a lot of work during that time load balancing and borrowing from other regions for extra power.

lonelappde 7y ago

Taking your car to the fuel station every day is a nuisance. ICE cars only need to go about once a week.

AshleyGrant 7y ago
And most people can get by with charging a current gen long range EV once a week if they don't have a charger at their residence. Not everyone, but most people drive less than 250 miles a week.
stetrain 7y ago
In that scenario stopping at a charger every day would be silly. Stop once a week at a charger that's near a grocery store, movie theater, restaurant, etc. Both of my local Tesla chargers are near grocery stores. Electrify America is installing chargers at Wal-Mart. Charging an EV is less like going to a gas station and more like picking a place to go that happens to have EV chargers while you do other things.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  > Both of my local Tesla chargers are near grocery stores. How close? Can you push your cart back to them? > Electrify America is installing chargers at Wal-Mart. How many? If we want this whole "electric car" thing to take off, you're looking at, what, 50% of the whole parking lot? Not a half dozen stalls right beside the store.
  - RandallBrown 7y ago
    Not the post you responded to, but I've seen 20-30 Tesla chargers in the parking lots of several grocery stores. You could very easily push your cart to them. I imagine Electrify America is installing a number that they believe will meet the current demand of electric vehicles. They don't need to fill the parking lot for the hypothetical future where everyone has an EV. That will still take some time and they can easily scale up as they need to.
  - stetrain 7y ago