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> won't take you across oceans/seas yeah bummer. what about balloons?

icebraining 7y ago
lm28469 is saying that sailboats do take you across seas/oceans. There are a few cruising sailboats; though they currently use wind only for extra power, I could see them selling "eco" trips where engines are only used for emergencies.
- lm28469 7y ago
  Yeah I updated my post to make it clearer. Even a small sailboat can take you across oceans.
  - buboard 7y ago
    I think you are creating a trend here. Watch out however because there will be casualties among the 'grammers.
SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
I sadly don't have 80 vacation days.
- notJim 7y ago
  Interesting, this actually points increasing vacation days as a small part of a reasonable climate policy. If we need to switch to slower transportation methods, it's only fair that we should get more vacation days. If you have an extra couple of days, even in the US a plane trip can become a rail trip.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    That'll be a hard sell - I imagine as we move to more climate friendly policies our ability to produce is going to go down - it'll be hard to convince employers that giving more vacation days and becoming even less efficient with the employees is a good choice. Of course, we've been becoming increasingly more efficient and we're not getting more time off, so you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
    - notJim 7y ago
      Between the growing labor movement, and more willingness to regulate companies, I'm not sure we need to convince them.
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        Are either of these actually happening? I see a movement towards a gig economy and side hustles. I don't know if there's actually a move towards workers standing up for their rights. Same goes with regulation - there are definite corners of society who would like that, but those who are in power, who are in power because of the people, clearly don't. Just to be clear, I want these things, I just don't see society turning that way.
        notJim 7y ago
        I think we're seeing the beginnings of them, but they definitely have a headwind. It's definitely too early to say they're happening, but there's a possibility for the first time in my lifetime, IMO. As far as unionization, there seems to be a trend of newsrooms organizing, I've seen a burger place trying to unionize where I live, and more and more people are talking about unionizing in the games space. With tech workers, we're not there yet, but efforts like the anti-ICE stuff could be a first step down that path. As far as regulation, all the senators running for president support the Green New Deal, and so do a handful of congress members. And locally, several cities have passed laws providing paid sick leave, including in Texas. These are frankly all pretty small, but taken together, I think they show that things could change.

lm28469 is saying that sailboats do take you across seas/oceans. There are a few cruising sailboats; though they currently use wind only for extra power, I could see them selling "eco" trips where engines are only used for emergencies.

lm28469 7y ago
Yeah I updated my post to make it clearer. Even a small sailboat can take you across oceans.
- buboard 7y ago
  I think you are creating a trend here. Watch out however because there will be casualties among the 'grammers.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago

I sadly don't have 80 vacation days.

notJim 7y ago
Interesting, this actually points increasing vacation days as a small part of a reasonable climate policy. If we need to switch to slower transportation methods, it's only fair that we should get more vacation days. If you have an extra couple of days, even in the US a plane trip can become a rail trip.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  That'll be a hard sell - I imagine as we move to more climate friendly policies our ability to produce is going to go down - it'll be hard to convince employers that giving more vacation days and becoming even less efficient with the employees is a good choice. Of course, we've been becoming increasingly more efficient and we're not getting more time off, so you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
  - notJim 7y ago
    Between the growing labor movement, and more willingness to regulate companies, I'm not sure we need to convince them.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      Are either of these actually happening? I see a movement towards a gig economy and side hustles. I don't know if there's actually a move towards workers standing up for their rights. Same goes with regulation - there are definite corners of society who would like that, but those who are in power, who are in power because of the people, clearly don't. Just to be clear, I want these things, I just don't see society turning that way.
      - notJim 7y ago
        I think we're seeing the beginnings of them, but they definitely have a headwind. It's definitely too early to say they're happening, but there's a possibility for the first time in my lifetime, IMO. As far as unionization, there seems to be a trend of newsrooms organizing, I've seen a burger place trying to unionize where I live, and more and more people are talking about unionizing in the games space. With tech workers, we're not there yet, but efforts like the anti-ICE stuff could be a first step down that path. As far as regulation, all the senators running for president support the Green New Deal, and so do a handful of congress members. And locally, several cities have passed laws providing paid sick leave, including in Texas. These are frankly all pretty small, but taken together, I think they show that things could change.