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> The world is big, but it isn’t big enough to be everyone’s personal playground. Sure but people still want to leave. They don't seem to particularly enjoy th

> The world is big, but it isn’t big enough to be everyone’s personal playground. Sure but people still want to leave. They don't seem to particularly enjoy their local enclaves anywhere (bowling alone etc). Online and offline escapism is on a steady rise this decade (e.g. digital nomads) so how is that going to be handled? Congestion pricing can do so much, there will always be cheaper alternative destinations. In fact younger people may not even want to have a permanent base anymore, so everyone will be a tourist, and everywhere will be a destination.

asutekku 7y ago
Digital escapism is however way better for the planet.
- buboard 7y ago
  Those 2 are orthogonal, VR isnt going to replace travel (same way that the internet didnt)
mattlutze 7y ago
Each location will have to determine when it's seen enough erosion, but places that don't will end up like Venice, or some of the southern North American hotspots for American tourists that only exist now to serve a Disney-like vacation experience. Cheap globetrotting was never a reality for anyone but the wealthy until the middle of last century. As we're discovering for many other things, being able to make it a reality for the middle classes is something we should have perhaps acknowledged but not acted upon.
- buboard 7y ago
  > Each location will have to determine when it's seen enough erosion That assumes that there are people who care. But if globetrotting becomes the dominant way to live for the middle class, very few people will care. Most people are flocking in major metropolises to work and live in tiny apartments. That trend has not changed, even with technology making it easier to work remotely. This centralization means that in the future anything outside rich megacities will be a tourist destination - and just that. We already see that happening in the south of europe, which is becoming a convenient cheap tourist destination while the brain drain to the north continues.
  - magduf 7y ago
    >We already see that happening in the south of europe, which is becoming a convenient cheap tourist destination while the brain drain to the north continues. There's really nothing stopping places like that from changing themselves to make themselves more attractive to industry and business to stop the brain drain. The people are leaving because those places haven't bothered making themselves nice places to stay and live and work in high-paying professions.
    - buboard 7y ago
      > really nothing stopping places like that from changing themselves to make themselves you'd think, but places dont change themselves - people change them. And when these people have left, it would take exceptional circumstances to reverse the trend.
      - magduf 7y ago
        Only some people have left, because they're tired of the people still there not improving things. The people who are left still have it in their power to improve things, but generally don't, so they only have themselves to blame for the brain drain.

asutekku 7y ago

Digital escapism is however way better for the planet.

buboard 7y ago
Those 2 are orthogonal, VR isnt going to replace travel (same way that the internet didnt)

mattlutze 7y ago

Each location will have to determine when it's seen enough erosion, but places that don't will end up like Venice, or some of the southern North American hotspots for American tourists that only exist now to serve a Disney-like vacation experience. Cheap globetrotting was never a reality for anyone but the wealthy until the middle of last century. As we're discovering for many other things, being able to make it a reality for the middle classes is something we should have perhaps acknowledged but not acted upon.

buboard 7y ago
> Each location will have to determine when it's seen enough erosion That assumes that there are people who care. But if globetrotting becomes the dominant way to live for the middle class, very few people will care. Most people are flocking in major metropolises to work and live in tiny apartments. That trend has not changed, even with technology making it easier to work remotely. This centralization means that in the future anything outside rich megacities will be a tourist destination - and just that. We already see that happening in the south of europe, which is becoming a convenient cheap tourist destination while the brain drain to the north continues.
- magduf 7y ago
  >We already see that happening in the south of europe, which is becoming a convenient cheap tourist destination while the brain drain to the north continues. There's really nothing stopping places like that from changing themselves to make themselves more attractive to industry and business to stop the brain drain. The people are leaving because those places haven't bothered making themselves nice places to stay and live and work in high-paying professions.
  - buboard 7y ago
    > really nothing stopping places like that from changing themselves to make themselves you'd think, but places dont change themselves - people change them. And when these people have left, it would take exceptional circumstances to reverse the trend.
    - magduf 7y ago
      Only some people have left, because they're tired of the people still there not improving things. The people who are left still have it in their power to improve things, but generally don't, so they only have themselves to blame for the brain drain.