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The media etc. is absolutely awash with it, to the point where I pretty much consider dismissals of the evidence of my own eyes as gaslighting. I've given up on

The media etc. is absolutely awash with it, to the point where I pretty much consider dismissals of the evidence of my own eyes as gaslighting. I've given up on all contemporary TV and film because the virtue signalling is obnoxious and incessant. And the response to someone pointing it out is usually accusations of racism, misogyny etc. I'd say this pretty much describes your response to me...

octernion 7y ago
> evidence [citation needed] if you give up on _all_ contemporary media as a result of your persecution complex, you might want to re-examine your beliefs.
- growlist 7y ago
  Believe me I've tried - I love TV and film, but cannot get very far before the obligatory strong, independent and sassy minority group representative appears to deliver their identity politics sermon. No thanks! It's patronising and boring. Reminder: The Alien franchise managed to have a strong female lead and be one of the best sci-fi series ever, and all without including the barely disguised sociology lectures. Go back and look at films from the 60s-00s - many were able to integrate minority characters/themes etc. with charm and subtlety, and managed to avoid the contemporary subtle as a brick approach. We're at the point where gems like Blazing Saddles could never be made due to the po-faced, finger wagging authoritarianism of the PC establishment.
  - octernion 7y ago
    um, moving past needing "charm and subtlety" to include minorities is one of the huge advances of cinema in the last several decades. again, you seriously should reconsider your identity politics if you think of any popular tv/movies in our current day as a "sermon." many people (including myself) who grew up with those same movies (and i appreciate blazing saddles & alien as much as anyone) do not find themselves at odds with the current ideological landscape.
  - stronglikedan 7y ago
    I struggled to get through the latest incarnation of The Mist because of this very thing. I like to think that this is what got it cancelled, since it was an otherwise cool concept, just ruined.
DFHippie 7y ago
Well, here's another white male from North America who has lived here for many decades but who lives in a very different world from you. I urge you to consider dispassionately how this could be. Don't dismiss it immediately as "virtue signaling" or "gaslighting". Assume that I am sincere in my beliefs and accurate in my observations -- maybe you are accurate as well; I have observed North America and different times and places. Now consider how it is that you and I perceive the same place so differently.
davinic 7y ago
You seem determined to play the role of a victim. No one has accused you of anything but perhaps picking bad media sources. "The media" is not a monolith and you've failed to provide even one piece of evidence for your assertion.

octernion 7y ago

> evidence [citation needed] if you give up on _all_ contemporary media as a result of your persecution complex, you might want to re-examine your beliefs.

growlist 7y ago
Believe me I've tried - I love TV and film, but cannot get very far before the obligatory strong, independent and sassy minority group representative appears to deliver their identity politics sermon. No thanks! It's patronising and boring. Reminder: The Alien franchise managed to have a strong female lead and be one of the best sci-fi series ever, and all without including the barely disguised sociology lectures. Go back and look at films from the 60s-00s - many were able to integrate minority characters/themes etc. with charm and subtlety, and managed to avoid the contemporary subtle as a brick approach. We're at the point where gems like Blazing Saddles could never be made due to the po-faced, finger wagging authoritarianism of the PC establishment.
- octernion 7y ago
  um, moving past needing "charm and subtlety" to include minorities is one of the huge advances of cinema in the last several decades. again, you seriously should reconsider your identity politics if you think of any popular tv/movies in our current day as a "sermon." many people (including myself) who grew up with those same movies (and i appreciate blazing saddles & alien as much as anyone) do not find themselves at odds with the current ideological landscape.
- stronglikedan 7y ago
  I struggled to get through the latest incarnation of The Mist because of this very thing. I like to think that this is what got it cancelled, since it was an otherwise cool concept, just ruined.

DFHippie 7y ago

Well, here's another white male from North America who has lived here for many decades but who lives in a very different world from you. I urge you to consider dispassionately how this could be. Don't dismiss it immediately as "virtue signaling" or "gaslighting". Assume that I am sincere in my beliefs and accurate in my observations -- maybe you are accurate as well; I have observed North America and different times and places. Now consider how it is that you and I perceive the same place so differently.

davinic 7y ago

You seem determined to play the role of a victim. No one has accused you of anything but perhaps picking bad media sources. "The media" is not a monolith and you've failed to provide even one piece of evidence for your assertion.