5 ms·

Incredibly, you seem to consider the process of granting equal rights to women “undermining the position [of men] in society”. If this isn’t what you intended

Incredibly, you seem to consider the process of granting equal rights to women “undermining the position [of men] in society”. If this isn’t what you intended to imply, then the only other reading of your statement suggests that you think men have not historically held almost all positions of power in society—which, demonstrably and obviously, they have. https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/11/america-is-still-a-patriarchy/265428/ https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/11/america-is...

J-dawg 7y ago
This is has always seemed to be one of the biggest fallacies at the heart of feminism. How does a few men holding a lot of power have any effect at all on the amount of power held by the average man? We've ended up with the situation where men are continually berated for their "privilege", while any "privilege" they might have held is systematically removed. Feminists will continue to justify the targeting of weaker and poorer men because "men hold all the power". Where does it end?
- krastanov 7y ago
  But most traditional/historic family dynamics in the west involve the woman/mother being subservient to the man/father. Am I missing something here? (And no, I do not see how being the breadwinner vs the homemaker makes this right.)
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > Am I missing something here? "Women and children first" is pretty universal. The history of roles is a bit more complex than "men rule over women".
christophilus 7y ago
That’s an uncharitable interpretation. There are plenty of other plausible interpretations of the op’s statement: the Homer Simpsonization of male characters in TV comes to mind (dumb husband paired with super smart, capable wife describes a whole lot of sitcoms, or see all male characters in the recent Star Wars flicks), the undermining of works of literature simply due to the author being white and male, etc. It’s subtle, but it’s out there. I suspect that there is plenty of subtle and not so subtle bias all over the place against all sorts of people. We should be working to eliminate all such biases. Often the gender role issue is treated as zero-sum, which it isn’t. A strong male role model doesn’t detract from a strong female role model.
Chris2048 7y ago
There's a difference between re-balancing, and undermining. What do I care that all the kings of England are white men "like me" when I have never been nobility? Take away unfair power mechanisms, don't simply re-implement them facing the other direction. This is obviously a complicated issue, but the tone often taken with issues like this are glib, and vindictive towards the current male generation.

J-dawg 7y ago

This is has always seemed to be one of the biggest fallacies at the heart of feminism. How does a few men holding a lot of power have any effect at all on the amount of power held by the average man? We've ended up with the situation where men are continually berated for their "privilege", while any "privilege" they might have held is systematically removed. Feminists will continue to justify the targeting of weaker and poorer men because "men hold all the power". Where does it end?

krastanov 7y ago
But most traditional/historic family dynamics in the west involve the woman/mother being subservient to the man/father. Am I missing something here? (And no, I do not see how being the breadwinner vs the homemaker makes this right.)
- luckylion 7y ago
  > Am I missing something here? "Women and children first" is pretty universal. The history of roles is a bit more complex than "men rule over women".

christophilus 7y ago

That’s an uncharitable interpretation. There are plenty of other plausible interpretations of the op’s statement: the Homer Simpsonization of male characters in TV comes to mind (dumb husband paired with super smart, capable wife describes a whole lot of sitcoms, or see all male characters in the recent Star Wars flicks), the undermining of works of literature simply due to the author being white and male, etc. It’s subtle, but it’s out there. I suspect that there is plenty of subtle and not so subtle bias all over the place against all sorts of people. We should be working to eliminate all such biases. Often the gender role issue is treated as zero-sum, which it isn’t. A strong male role model doesn’t detract from a strong female role model.

Chris2048 7y ago

There's a difference between re-balancing, and undermining. What do I care that all the kings of England are white men "like me" when I have never been nobility? Take away unfair power mechanisms, don't simply re-implement them facing the other direction. This is obviously a complicated issue, but the tone often taken with issues like this are glib, and vindictive towards the current male generation.