4 ms·

why has this been downvoted? Of course everyone who plays the game will evaluate what they can make out of a new situation.

oraphalous 7y ago
I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird
- pjc50 7y ago
  This is very interesting, but what does it have to do with the CIA?
  - Multicomp 7y ago
    Looks like an operation that CIA assisted in spiriting away protesters from the 1989 Tiananmen square massacre. The reader is expected to see that article and see that the CIA took some action in HK in the 90s and come to the conclusion that because they helped protesters to flee the country in the 90s they are behind the current protests by inference. I personally see a coincidence or red herring.
    - oraphalous 7y ago
      Do you claim that the establishment of precedent has no value in increasing the plausibility of a claim?
- oraphalous 7y ago
  pjc50 - it won't let me reply to you directly. I just mean it as a demonstration of the links between local HK authorities and foreign intelligence services. It wouldn't take much for the CIA to leverage those links. Keep in mind also that Chinese state media has publicly accused the CIA of involvement in the HK protests. Haven't seen that reported much have you? You wouldn't.
Multicomp 7y ago
In response to the protests, the government line has been to continue to stall and to claim that everything happening in Hong Kong is magically just the result of foreign interference by actors like the CIA, that way they don't have to actually listen to their own people, they can just plug their ears and say lalalalala the CIA did it all. This comment appears to support that general narrative, so I suspect people are seeing that and not wanting to see the standard government obfuscation line here are downvoting it. Just ask yourself, if the CIA has such control over Hong Kong that it could cause 10 weeks of protests by large large amounts of the population, whether or not they wouldn't have already declared independence and declared themselves a mini United States state or something to that effect. The Hong Kong government's accusation and Beijing's continual messaging that this is all just the United States messing with them is untrue, a bald faced lie and ridiculous on its face if you think about it, but they haven't come up with anything better just yet so they're just sort of holding onto that line for anyone who will listen.
- oraphalous 7y ago
  How are the ringleaders surviving? Not a lot of bank to made protesting I suspect. I resent the claim tho that my comment supports the "general narrative" - I explicitly disavow the Chinese regime as authoritarian that "deserves comeuppance". I'll add here that I think the protesters have a genuine cause that deserves support. I do, however, think that the CIA, the U.S. and the west generally - doesn't actually give a fuck about the interests of the HK people. It's just convenient to them currently to make China look bad.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    Do you really think that a protest movement with such widespread support has leaders that need to be supported financially somehow by the CIA?
    - oraphalous 7y ago
      I'll grant that in these days of crowdfunding etc... your counter has more plausibility than it would have in days past.

oraphalous 7y ago

I'll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird

pjc50 7y ago
This is very interesting, but what does it have to do with the CIA?
- Multicomp 7y ago
  Looks like an operation that CIA assisted in spiriting away protesters from the 1989 Tiananmen square massacre. The reader is expected to see that article and see that the CIA took some action in HK in the 90s and come to the conclusion that because they helped protesters to flee the country in the 90s they are behind the current protests by inference. I personally see a coincidence or red herring.
  - oraphalous 7y ago
    Do you claim that the establishment of precedent has no value in increasing the plausibility of a claim?
oraphalous 7y ago
pjc50 - it won't let me reply to you directly. I just mean it as a demonstration of the links between local HK authorities and foreign intelligence services. It wouldn't take much for the CIA to leverage those links. Keep in mind also that Chinese state media has publicly accused the CIA of involvement in the HK protests. Haven't seen that reported much have you? You wouldn't.

Multicomp 7y ago

In response to the protests, the government line has been to continue to stall and to claim that everything happening in Hong Kong is magically just the result of foreign interference by actors like the CIA, that way they don't have to actually listen to their own people, they can just plug their ears and say lalalalala the CIA did it all. This comment appears to support that general narrative, so I suspect people are seeing that and not wanting to see the standard government obfuscation line here are downvoting it. Just ask yourself, if the CIA has such control over Hong Kong that it could cause 10 weeks of protests by large large amounts of the population, whether or not they wouldn't have already declared independence and declared themselves a mini United States state or something to that effect. The Hong Kong government's accusation and Beijing's continual messaging that this is all just the United States messing with them is untrue, a bald faced lie and ridiculous on its face if you think about it, but they haven't come up with anything better just yet so they're just sort of holding onto that line for anyone who will listen.

oraphalous 7y ago
How are the ringleaders surviving? Not a lot of bank to made protesting I suspect. I resent the claim tho that my comment supports the "general narrative" - I explicitly disavow the Chinese regime as authoritarian that "deserves comeuppance". I'll add here that I think the protesters have a genuine cause that deserves support. I do, however, think that the CIA, the U.S. and the west generally - doesn't actually give a fuck about the interests of the HK people. It's just convenient to them currently to make China look bad.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  Do you really think that a protest movement with such widespread support has leaders that need to be supported financially somehow by the CIA?
  - oraphalous 7y ago
    I'll grant that in these days of crowdfunding etc... your counter has more plausibility than it would have in days past.