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Agreed. I don't think that HK have an actual plan here. They just protest for the sake of protesting. China will never step down and if anything HK makes it rea
by dustinmoris 7y ago
Agreed. I don't think that HK have an actual plan here. They just protest for the sake of protesting. China will never step down and if anything HK makes it really really easy for China to claim more control now over HK because HK proves itself to be not in control of its citizen. China is the most important market in the world, no other country will intervene with China, especially not given that the largest country in this world - Russia - would always back China in a geopolitical conflict, so nobody has the balls to challenge Russia and China at once for good reasons.
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Besides that, I am pretty confident that the media makes it look a lot worse than it actually is too.
I've been to China and Hong Kong. In China people looked relaxed, spent time relaxing in parks and socialising. I went to Hong Kong and it was unbearable crammed, people were stressed and over worked and there was no escape from the hamster wheel. No wonder mainland Chinese have little sympathy for HK.
- throwaway2048 7y agoLuckily, for their own sake the people of Hong Kong aren't cowardly and acquiescing to the loss of their freedom. Letting China get away with dominating Hong Kong isn't going to do them 1 tiny iota of good long term, if they ever hope to make a stand, the time is now.
- cdmckay 7y agoOr maybe the people in China are happy with their system? Not sure how that makes them cowards.
- barry-cotter 7y ago> Luckily, for their own sake the people of Hong Kong aren't cowardly and acquiescing to the loss of their freedom. Luckily how? They’re going to lose. If they want freedom they’re going to have to leave China for it, emigrate. All the protest isn’t going to buy them victory. The CPC isn’t going to allow Hong Kong to publicly defeat it; that would be domestically politically disruptive. They’d rather abrogate the one country two systems agreement and just abolish the SAR’s freedoms altogether.
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- pishpash 7y agoNah, they don't really think anything will happen to them in HK. While admirable in certain respects, they are not even taking half the risk that Tian'anmen Square students took, hiding behind their masks.
- loriverkutya 7y ago> I've been to China and Hong Kong. In China people looked relaxed, spent time relaxing in parks and socialising. I assume you did not visited Xinjiang where Uyghurs are not really relaxing in parks.
- rado 7y agoHis point stands when you compare the streets of the major cities to the onslaught of Western propaganda that ignores everyday life. Propaganda against "communism" which just isn't there. A large portion of the lawmakers in Beijing are industrialists.
- icebraining 7y agoCan you point to some representative examples of that onslaught of Western propaganda against communism in China?
- rado 7y agoWP, NYT, BBC etc – mostly negative articles. It's like nothing outside of a few contention points exists over there. It's ridiculous.
- nobody0 7y agoHave you visited there then? What I know is there haven't been major terrorist attacks for quite a few years.
- EliRivers 7y agoIn China people looked relaxed, spent time relaxing in parks and socialising. I went to Hong Kong and it was unbearable crammed, people were stressed and over worked and there was no escape from the hamster wheel. No wonder mainland Chinese have little sympathy for HK. I don't follow. If life in China is so nice and life in HK is so stressed and unbearable, wouldn't the people of mainland China have more sympathy for HK?
- kitsune_ 7y agoWhy would they? You need a pretty convincing story to justify protests that disrupt 'normal' life, especially to mainlanders who saw a miraculous improvement of their living standards in their life time. It's pretty easy to exploit the scenes of protestors throwing a Chinese flag into the sea and drumming up a patriotic sentiment with it.
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- krig 7y agoYou realise that you don't see dissent in China because dissent is a death sentence there?
- xhruso00 7y agoThere are people on HN that has never been to China neither Hong Kong and they simply downvote cause they only think. True experience of being harassed in China for being white is something they have never experienced.