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Short sad personal story. I once entered in a class and heard the familiar Windows 95 startup sound. Thinking it was a VM, I went and checked: a group of stude

Short sad personal story. I once entered in a class and heard the familiar Windows 95 startup sound. Thinking it was a VM, I went and checked: a group of students were customizing their Linux distribution to look like Win95. I asked them if they knew fvwm95, the window manager of my youth; they didn't, and I suddenly realized that a) it's not supported anymore b) they were all born after Windows 95 was released c) I'm slowly getting old.

jraph 7y ago
“What is this Xorg stuff you are talking about already? Is it like Wayland? Oh you could run windows through the network? Nice! Wait, apps had to connect to a socket to draw stuff? So weird. Wasn't it inefficient as hell to send whole full screen windows at 100 Hz using this? Oh you could bypass this to have… what you call it again? “Direct rendering”? Sounds like a horrible hack.”
- qplex 7y ago
  I get you're joking and while it seems to be trendy to put Xorg down, the reality is that it's actually the one that works. Wayland is still very buggy and not at all ready for mainstream use. I really don't get that Debian took it up as the default in Buster. Xwayland sucks also, it breaks applications that run fine under X.org and very few applications have native support for Wayland. </rant>
  - jraph 7y ago
    Well, yes, I'm still using Xorg too :-) Middle click paste is not yet supported in KDE with Wayland [1], and it seems that KDE and Wayland don't like suspend / resume on my machine, and recently (after a bios update ?), adding a screen have made the system crash. Besides, as far as I know, it is not possible to run Wayland apps on Android (yet, but it seems that it is a hard problem [2]). [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373907 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373907 [2] http://www.jlekstrand.net/jason/projects/wayland/wayland-android/ http://www.jlekstrand.net/jason/projects/wayland/wayland-and...
farmerbb 7y ago
For anyone that's interested in actually doing this, Chicago95 is the best way to make XFCE look and feel like Windows 95: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

jraph 7y ago

“What is this Xorg stuff you are talking about already? Is it like Wayland? Oh you could run windows through the network? Nice! Wait, apps had to connect to a socket to draw stuff? So weird. Wasn't it inefficient as hell to send whole full screen windows at 100 Hz using this? Oh you could bypass this to have… what you call it again? “Direct rendering”? Sounds like a horrible hack.”

qplex 7y ago
I get you're joking and while it seems to be trendy to put Xorg down, the reality is that it's actually the one that works. Wayland is still very buggy and not at all ready for mainstream use. I really don't get that Debian took it up as the default in Buster. Xwayland sucks also, it breaks applications that run fine under X.org and very few applications have native support for Wayland. </rant>
- jraph 7y ago
  Well, yes, I'm still using Xorg too :-) Middle click paste is not yet supported in KDE with Wayland [1], and it seems that KDE and Wayland don't like suspend / resume on my machine, and recently (after a bios update ?), adding a screen have made the system crash. Besides, as far as I know, it is not possible to run Wayland apps on Android (yet, but it seems that it is a hard problem [2]). [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373907 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373907 [2] http://www.jlekstrand.net/jason/projects/wayland/wayland-android/ http://www.jlekstrand.net/jason/projects/wayland/wayland-and...

farmerbb 7y ago

For anyone that's interested in actually doing this, Chicago95 is the best way to make XFCE look and feel like Windows 95: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95