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>in a group of young Moroccan men living and schooled in Catalonia and vulnerable to radicalization. No one should apply anything from these findings to the US

>in a group of young Moroccan men living and schooled in Catalonia and vulnerable to radicalization. No one should apply anything from these findings to the US. Although there may be some similarities, those are based on your own experiences and not backed up by a study conducted on boys half a world away.

lawnchair_larry 7y ago
I still think they’re on to something, and fundamentally we aren’t that different over here.
onion2k 7y ago
I don't think that's a good take. What the study says is that men can be radicalized if they're put in a situation where they're isolated. Using the study to understand that better and apply it to isolated groups anywhere is useful. According to the DoJ, 100% of race-based domestic terrorism in the US in 2018 was committed by radicialized white supremacist terrorists[1]. Having a better understanding of why people join groups like that (eg "are they similarly isolated young men?") helps us stop people joining in the first place. [1] https://www.salon.com/2019/08/09/trumps-doj-hid-shocking-report-on-growing-terror-threat-from-white-supremacists/ https://www.salon.com/2019/08/09/trumps-doj-hid-shocking-rep...
hombre_fatal 7y ago
No man should relate to men in other geographic locations? I don't understand. Plenty of us here have encountered some degree of social destitution and know what kind of places that can leave you mentally. Why would this only be limited to a specific group value like jihad and not a broader thread that runs through male psychology? Seems like a perfectly reasonable mount point for HN discussion and empathy. For example, consider social exclusion's role in radicalizing men to adopt these group values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way -- doesn't seem like a stretch. That's basically the next rung on the same ladder I started climbing when I joined PUA usergroups when I was 15, though thankfully some social windfall (meeting my first girlfriend) snapped me out of it.

lawnchair_larry 7y ago

I still think they’re on to something, and fundamentally we aren’t that different over here.

onion2k 7y ago

I don't think that's a good take. What the study says is that men can be radicalized if they're put in a situation where they're isolated. Using the study to understand that better and apply it to isolated groups anywhere is useful. According to the DoJ, 100% of race-based domestic terrorism in the US in 2018 was committed by radicialized white supremacist terrorists[1]. Having a better understanding of why people join groups like that (eg "are they similarly isolated young men?") helps us stop people joining in the first place. [1] https://www.salon.com/2019/08/09/trumps-doj-hid-shocking-report-on-growing-terror-threat-from-white-supremacists/ https://www.salon.com/2019/08/09/trumps-doj-hid-shocking-rep...

hombre_fatal 7y ago

No man should relate to men in other geographic locations? I don't understand. Plenty of us here have encountered some degree of social destitution and know what kind of places that can leave you mentally. Why would this only be limited to a specific group value like jihad and not a broader thread that runs through male psychology? Seems like a perfectly reasonable mount point for HN discussion and empathy. For example, consider social exclusion's role in radicalizing men to adopt these group values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way -- doesn't seem like a stretch. That's basically the next rung on the same ladder I started climbing when I joined PUA usergroups when I was 15, though thankfully some social windfall (meeting my first girlfriend) snapped me out of it.