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I know what you mean, but it’s more of a gradient than a divide. Here’s a regional ethnicity map: https://www.psrc.org/sites/default/files/race16.jpg https://w

I know what you mean, but it’s more of a gradient than a divide. Here’s a regional ethnicity map: https://www.psrc.org/sites/default/files/race16.jpg https://www.psrc.org/sites/default/files/race16.jpg

thaumasiotes 7y ago
Wow. I have trouble seeing how that could possibly be called a "stark racial divide".
- icsllaf 7y ago
  The entire map is the metro Seattle area. Zoom into Seattle where the northmost dotted line is and the divide is pretty evident.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    So, if you restrict yourself to downtown Seattle, it looks like a clear divide, but if you go to the Seattle city limits, it doesn't, and if you go to the Seattle metro area, it looks even less like that? What's the problem supposed to be? And why is "North Seattle" being used to refer to the northern half of downtown, rather than the northern part of Seattle?
    - kaitai 7y ago
      This is exactly why local/micro-level expertise is so important. It's common in the US now for areas just on the city limits of bigger cities to be more mixed racially and socioeconomically than ever before; this is a temporal as well as spatial phenomenon driven by the change from "white flight" to the suburbs to instead lots of folks moving to the suburbs because they're cheaper than the downtowns, and the suburbs mixing racially because they've removed their sundown laws and racial covenants. Now many downtown areas are coveted instead of abandoned, with luxury condos instead of skid row. I don't know anything about Seattle. If you look at the area of the clear divide, what differentiates the houses on one side from the houses on the other side? In Minneapolis-St Paul, there are pretty clear differences in amenities between many racially separated areas: more trees and walking paths in some areas; fewer trees, worse streets, and highway noise in others. What are you asking when you ask, "What's the problem supposed to be?" I don't quite get it.
    - icsllaf 7y ago
      Do you see how Southeast, Dunwamish, and Delridge are a rainbow of colors with barely any specks of blue while the north neighborhoods are all blue with specks of green? That's the racial divide. Not just downtown.
- lidHanteyk 7y ago
  That map is for the entire metropolitan area, and then some. Consider [0], the neighborhoods of Seattle itself, and then look at the island of blue color in the middle of downtown and the affluent neighborhoods of Magnolia, Ballard, and Queen Anne. Across from Seattle, across Lake Washington, you can also see the majority-blue suburb of Bellevue. [0] https://northwesturbanist.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/seattle-neighborhood-districts-map.png https://northwesturbanist.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/seattl...
- jcims 7y ago
  This map might make it easier to see. http://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/ http://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/
  - Ericson2314 7y ago
    The is an amazing map, but like so many such maps as you zoom out you loose the dynamic range to capture the difference between populated countryside and city.

thaumasiotes 7y ago

Wow. I have trouble seeing how that could possibly be called a "stark racial divide".

icsllaf 7y ago
The entire map is the metro Seattle area. Zoom into Seattle where the northmost dotted line is and the divide is pretty evident.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  So, if you restrict yourself to downtown Seattle, it looks like a clear divide, but if you go to the Seattle city limits, it doesn't, and if you go to the Seattle metro area, it looks even less like that? What's the problem supposed to be? And why is "North Seattle" being used to refer to the northern half of downtown, rather than the northern part of Seattle?
  - kaitai 7y ago
    This is exactly why local/micro-level expertise is so important. It's common in the US now for areas just on the city limits of bigger cities to be more mixed racially and socioeconomically than ever before; this is a temporal as well as spatial phenomenon driven by the change from "white flight" to the suburbs to instead lots of folks moving to the suburbs because they're cheaper than the downtowns, and the suburbs mixing racially because they've removed their sundown laws and racial covenants. Now many downtown areas are coveted instead of abandoned, with luxury condos instead of skid row. I don't know anything about Seattle. If you look at the area of the clear divide, what differentiates the houses on one side from the houses on the other side? In Minneapolis-St Paul, there are pretty clear differences in amenities between many racially separated areas: more trees and walking paths in some areas; fewer trees, worse streets, and highway noise in others. What are you asking when you ask, "What's the problem supposed to be?" I don't quite get it.
  - icsllaf 7y ago
    Do you see how Southeast, Dunwamish, and Delridge are a rainbow of colors with barely any specks of blue while the north neighborhoods are all blue with specks of green? That's the racial divide. Not just downtown.
lidHanteyk 7y ago
That map is for the entire metropolitan area, and then some. Consider [0], the neighborhoods of Seattle itself, and then look at the island of blue color in the middle of downtown and the affluent neighborhoods of Magnolia, Ballard, and Queen Anne. Across from Seattle, across Lake Washington, you can also see the majority-blue suburb of Bellevue. [0] https://northwesturbanist.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/seattle-neighborhood-districts-map.png https://northwesturbanist.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/seattl...
jcims 7y ago
This map might make it easier to see. http://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/ http://demographics.virginia.edu/DotMap/
- Ericson2314 7y ago
  The is an amazing map, but like so many such maps as you zoom out you loose the dynamic range to capture the difference between populated countryside and city.