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> you're reducing salaries and negotiating power for everyone. Rather, you're leveling it by expanding the labor pool to include the rest of the world, aka via

> you're reducing salaries and negotiating power for everyone. Rather, you're leveling it by expanding the labor pool to include the rest of the world, aka via globalization. Not inherently bad imo, but I could understand why someone patriotic would find this problematic.

rayiner 7y ago
I'm not making a value judgment on it, I'm just pointing out the economic effect.
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whatshisface 7y ago
Also someone who was part of the expanding labor pool, including immigrants who have already got in.
addicted 7y ago
Well, H1B visas do not expand the labor pool. H1B visas allow members of an already expanded labor pool to join and contribute to the US economy. The alternative to fewer H1B visas is not just hiring Americans. In fact, hiring Americans is far less likely than simply hiring Indians and letting them work in India. Or, as is happening increasingly, having Chinese and Indian employees who were educated in the US, move to Canada.
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  Can those of us born in the US and educated there be moved to Canada by FAANGs? If that's already happening by all means reply and let me know how to get in on it before all the stuff really hits the fan in the US.
  - lazaroclapp 7y ago
    Sure. Definitely already a thing! I know plenty of people from the US who joined a company in the US with international offices and then transferred (temporarily or permanently) to an office somewhere else. Singapore comes to mind, but I am sure the case for Canada is even easier (given NAFTA and similar). You could also just directly apply to a position that happens to be in Canada, e.g. https://careers.google.com/locations/toronto/?hl=en https://careers.google.com/locations/toronto/?hl=en By the way, you actually might not need any FAANG (or other Canadian employer) help: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/start-visa/eligibility.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...
- Mikeb85 7y ago
  > Well, H1B visas do not expand the labor pool. H1B visas allow members of an already expanded labor pool to join and contribute to the US economy. Semantics. In economic terms, it's expanding the labour pool.
atemerev 7y ago
And I can't. Expanding labor pool means that companies can afford to open lines of businesses that were previously deemed unsustainable, and eventually hire locals for e.g. administrative support. Most businesses are at equilibrium. There is no choice of "hire locally and pay them well or hire globally and pocket the difference". The choice is "hire globally and expand" (and eventually hire more locals), or "hire locally and stay small, or even get out of business".

rayiner 7y ago

I'm not making a value judgment on it, I'm just pointing out the economic effect.

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whatshisface 7y ago

Also someone who was part of the expanding labor pool, including immigrants who have already got in.

addicted 7y ago

Well, H1B visas do not expand the labor pool. H1B visas allow members of an already expanded labor pool to join and contribute to the US economy. The alternative to fewer H1B visas is not just hiring Americans. In fact, hiring Americans is far less likely than simply hiring Indians and letting them work in India. Or, as is happening increasingly, having Chinese and Indian employees who were educated in the US, move to Canada.

throwaway5752 7y ago
Can those of us born in the US and educated there be moved to Canada by FAANGs? If that's already happening by all means reply and let me know how to get in on it before all the stuff really hits the fan in the US.
- lazaroclapp 7y ago
  Sure. Definitely already a thing! I know plenty of people from the US who joined a company in the US with international offices and then transferred (temporarily or permanently) to an office somewhere else. Singapore comes to mind, but I am sure the case for Canada is even easier (given NAFTA and similar). You could also just directly apply to a position that happens to be in Canada, e.g. https://careers.google.com/locations/toronto/?hl=en https://careers.google.com/locations/toronto/?hl=en By the way, you actually might not need any FAANG (or other Canadian employer) help: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/start-visa/eligibility.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...
Mikeb85 7y ago
> Well, H1B visas do not expand the labor pool. H1B visas allow members of an already expanded labor pool to join and contribute to the US economy. Semantics. In economic terms, it's expanding the labour pool.

atemerev 7y ago

And I can't. Expanding labor pool means that companies can afford to open lines of businesses that were previously deemed unsustainable, and eventually hire locals for e.g. administrative support. Most businesses are at equilibrium. There is no choice of "hire locally and pay them well or hire globally and pocket the difference". The choice is "hire globally and expand" (and eventually hire more locals), or "hire locally and stay small, or even get out of business".