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I’ve been arguing with people about this since it happened. Sure, there are a lot of people with incentives to kill Epstein, but if you say it’s murder, then yo

I’ve been arguing with people about this since it happened. Sure, there are a lot of people with incentives to kill Epstein, but if you say it’s murder, then you have to explain how the killer did it while he was in federal custody. Even Trump couldn’t do that without getting caught. #ClintonBodyCount is particularly absurd, because I’m supposed to believe the Clintons had all these people killed, with no evidence pointing back to them. This doesn’t make sense in a reality where Trump can’t even keep one porn star quiet. The simplest explanation is that he committed suicide, because he was prematurely let off suicide watch. Occam’s razor strikes again.

roboys 7y ago
I feel you seriously underestimate our intelligence apparatus and its controllers. If this was an enemy of the US in a foreign jail would you feel differently?
- pmiller2 7y ago
  Given the available evidence, no.
  - AndrewBissell 7y ago
    If this had happened to a prisoner in Russian custody who it was hinted might incriminate dozens of Putin-friendly oligarchs, you can bet that the NYT would have 50 reporters personally turning the cranks on the conspiracy mill.
  - roboys 7y ago
    The history of these agencies makes me think you are mistaken. The people that can touch Iranian centrifuges connected to airgapped machines in hostile territory can't touch a prisoner in one of their own facilities? Seems unlikely.
AndrewBissell 7y ago
What's the simple explanation for why he was not under constant surveillance when the whole world knew there was a huge risk he'd wind up dead before trial?
- roboys 7y ago
  Allowing him to take his own life through intentional carelessness is a possibility.
- pmiller2 7y ago
  Incompetence is probably the simplest, followed by “this guy is a piece of shit. I don’t care if he kills himself.”
  - AndrewBissell 7y ago
    This was the prison that kept El Chapo alive and in custody through his whole trial. Was the Keystone Kops shift away on vacation while he was there?
insickness 7y ago
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/ https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-wa... > There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars. They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper. It's just as likely that he was murdered, and certainly more likely that he permitted to kill himself than that it just happened by accident.
raincom 7y ago
Your explanation "he was prematurely let off suicide watch" requires an explanation. Why he was let off suicide watch? This is where many think that powers-that-be are involved.

roboys 7y ago

I feel you seriously underestimate our intelligence apparatus and its controllers. If this was an enemy of the US in a foreign jail would you feel differently?

pmiller2 7y ago
Given the available evidence, no.
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  If this had happened to a prisoner in Russian custody who it was hinted might incriminate dozens of Putin-friendly oligarchs, you can bet that the NYT would have 50 reporters personally turning the cranks on the conspiracy mill.
- roboys 7y ago
  The history of these agencies makes me think you are mistaken. The people that can touch Iranian centrifuges connected to airgapped machines in hostile territory can't touch a prisoner in one of their own facilities? Seems unlikely.

AndrewBissell 7y ago

What's the simple explanation for why he was not under constant surveillance when the whole world knew there was a huge risk he'd wind up dead before trial?

roboys 7y ago
Allowing him to take his own life through intentional carelessness is a possibility.
pmiller2 7y ago
Incompetence is probably the simplest, followed by “this guy is a piece of shit. I don’t care if he kills himself.”
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  This was the prison that kept El Chapo alive and in custody through his whole trial. Was the Keystone Kops shift away on vacation while he was there?

insickness 7y ago

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/ https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-wa... > There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. Could he have done it from the bed? No sir. There’s a steel frame, but you can’t move it. There’s no light fixture. There’s no bars. They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper. It's just as likely that he was murdered, and certainly more likely that he permitted to kill himself than that it just happened by accident.

raincom 7y ago

Your explanation "he was prematurely let off suicide watch" requires an explanation. Why he was let off suicide watch? This is where many think that powers-that-be are involved.