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However it is a fact, and not conspiracy theories, that a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside.

by acqq 7y ago

However it is a fact, and not conspiracy theories, that a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside. E.g. the text by Peter Pomerantsev in the article: "Or take the 2000 Serbian revolution, where students demonstrating against Slobodan Milošević opposed his government’s war-mongering nationalism in favor of a Serbia integrated with the international community." But Roger Cohen in the New York Times, 2000: https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/26/magazine/who-really-brought-down-milosevic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/26/magazine/who-really-broug... "Backed by extensive financing from the United States, Otpor..." "Just how much money backed this objective is not clear. The United States Agency for International Development says that $25 million was appropriated just this year" "At the International Republican Institute, another nongovernmental Washington group financed partly by A.I.D., an official named Daniel Calingaert says he met Otpor leaders ''7 to 10 times'' in Hungary and Montenegro, beginning in October 1999. Some of the $1.8 million the institute spent in Serbia in the last year was ''provided direct to Otpor,'' he says." "But other American help was as important as money. Calingaert's organization arranged for a seminar at the luxurious Budapest Hilton from March 31 to April 3. There a retired United States Army colonel, Robert Helvey, instructed more than 20 Otpor leaders in techniques of nonviolent resistance." Those trained and financed there were then later engaged at other places and "revolutions": E.g. Georgia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kmara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kmara "It was formed by the Georgian student activists which received training by the Serbian Otpor! through the funding of the OSI." Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_6_Youth_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_6_Youth_Movement "Mohammed Adel, a leader in the April 6 movement, studied at the Centre for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies, an organization founded by former Otpor! members" And there's even more in Wikipedia.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside The American revolution would have failed without French support [1]. That doesn’t mean the French controlled us. The liberation of France from Nazi Germany would have failed without American support. We don’t control Paris. These are stories if mutually-aligned interests being commonly pursued. Not necessarily manipulation. International coöperation doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. If we’ve learned one thing from the last century of American interventionism, it’s that prematurely prompting revolution produces inchoate governments. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revol...
- acqq 7y ago
  > That doesn’t mean the French controlled us. Who ever claimed that? My claim, quoting the previous message: "it is a fact, and not conspiracy theories, that a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside." What is there not true? What do you dispute from what I've written? > If we’ve learned one thing from the last century of American interventionism, it’s that prematurely prompting revolution So it seems you agree with me that there is such kind of sponsoring. Some more links: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/15/trump-gutting-national-endowment-democracy-and-thats-good-thing https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/15/trump-gutting-... "The endowment is one of the main instruments by which the United States subverts and undermines foreign governments. In a less Orwellian world, it might be called the “National Endowment for Attacking Democracy.”" "Whenever the government of another country challenges or defies the United States, questions the value of unrestrained capitalism, limits the rights of foreign corporations, or adopts policies that we consider socialist, the Endowment swings into action. It pours over $170 million each year into labor unions, political factions, student clubs, civic groups, and other organizations dedicated to protecting or installing pro-American regimes. From Central America to Central Asia, it is a vivid and familiar face of US intervention." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democra... "funded primarily through an annual allocation from the U.S. Congress "

by acqq 7y ago

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside The American revolution would have failed without French support [1]. That doesn’t mean the French controlled us. The liberation of France from Nazi Germany would have failed without American support. We don’t control Paris. These are stories if mutually-aligned interests being commonly pursued. Not necessarily manipulation. International coöperation doesn’t have to be a conspiracy. If we’ve learned one thing from the last century of American interventionism, it’s that prematurely prompting revolution produces inchoate governments. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revol...

acqq 7y ago
> That doesn’t mean the French controlled us. Who ever claimed that? My claim, quoting the previous message: "it is a fact, and not conspiracy theories, that a lot of the protests and their leaders are directly sponsored by some specific powers from the outside." What is there not true? What do you dispute from what I've written? > If we’ve learned one thing from the last century of American interventionism, it’s that prematurely prompting revolution So it seems you agree with me that there is such kind of sponsoring. Some more links: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/15/trump-gutting-national-endowment-democracy-and-thats-good-thing https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/15/trump-gutting-... "The endowment is one of the main instruments by which the United States subverts and undermines foreign governments. In a less Orwellian world, it might be called the “National Endowment for Attacking Democracy.”" "Whenever the government of another country challenges or defies the United States, questions the value of unrestrained capitalism, limits the rights of foreign corporations, or adopts policies that we consider socialist, the Endowment swings into action. It pours over $170 million each year into labor unions, political factions, student clubs, civic groups, and other organizations dedicated to protecting or installing pro-American regimes. From Central America to Central Asia, it is a vivid and familiar face of US intervention." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_Democra... "funded primarily through an annual allocation from the U.S. Congress "