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I'm glad you picked up on that, because yes, I DO trust Signal more than Telegram. I trust Signal and distrust Telegram for many solid technical reasons. If you

I'm glad you picked up on that, because yes, I DO trust Signal more than Telegram. I trust Signal and distrust Telegram for many solid technical reasons. If you want to misinterpret that as "appeal to authority", then go nuts. But frankly, your own argument reeks of government-friendly "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" nonsense. So long as Telegram's developers refuse to implement mandatory-and-default end-to-end-encryption with a properly audited protocol and implementation in all clients, I will not use it. And I will discourage friends and family from using it.

zzzcpan 7y ago
> I trust Signal and distrust Telegram for many solid technical reasons. Except there are no solid technical reasons, just trust and distrust, because security people really love to claim authority on how "solid" security things are. The last people on earth you should ask about security are those claiming authority on these issues.
- checktheorder 7y ago
  This is incoherent FUD.
  - zzzcpan 7y ago
    It's not. I'm just not going to accept authoritative arguments on security, sorry. If you have actual technical reasons, please give them. If you don't, that's fine too.
    - checktheorder 7y ago
      >It's not. I'm just not going to accept authoritative arguments on security, sorry. Wrong, you already do. You either don't realize it, or you're being disingenuous about it. Did you write 100% of the code of the web browser you used to post your comments? Did you write the OS that browser runs on? Did you write the compiler used to build the OS, and did you provably avoid the sorts of issues brought up in "Reflections on Trusting Trust"? Did you fabricate the chips your OS runs on? Did you design the die mask for those chips? Did you build the chip fab facility? Did you design the locks on the front doors of the chip fab facility? Did you stay awake 24/7 inside the chip fab facility to make sure no-one broke in to conduct an evil maid attack on the process? Unless your answer to all of the above is an honest "yes", at some point in the chain of tech, you accepted an outside authority. So kindly knock it off with the "you're automatically wrong because that's appeal to authority!" nonsense.

zzzcpan 7y ago

> I trust Signal and distrust Telegram for many solid technical reasons. Except there are no solid technical reasons, just trust and distrust, because security people really love to claim authority on how "solid" security things are. The last people on earth you should ask about security are those claiming authority on these issues.

checktheorder 7y ago
This is incoherent FUD.
- zzzcpan 7y ago
  It's not. I'm just not going to accept authoritative arguments on security, sorry. If you have actual technical reasons, please give them. If you don't, that's fine too.
  - checktheorder 7y ago
    >It's not. I'm just not going to accept authoritative arguments on security, sorry. Wrong, you already do. You either don't realize it, or you're being disingenuous about it. Did you write 100% of the code of the web browser you used to post your comments? Did you write the OS that browser runs on? Did you write the compiler used to build the OS, and did you provably avoid the sorts of issues brought up in "Reflections on Trusting Trust"? Did you fabricate the chips your OS runs on? Did you design the die mask for those chips? Did you build the chip fab facility? Did you design the locks on the front doors of the chip fab facility? Did you stay awake 24/7 inside the chip fab facility to make sure no-one broke in to conduct an evil maid attack on the process? Unless your answer to all of the above is an honest "yes", at some point in the chain of tech, you accepted an outside authority. So kindly knock it off with the "you're automatically wrong because that's appeal to authority!" nonsense.