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Do note that this is very much against the Discord TOS; the README does say "WARNING: Self-bots are discouraged and against Discords TOS.", but for clarity, any

by notamy 7y ago

Do note that this is very much against the Discord TOS; the README does say "WARNING: Self-bots are discouraged and against Discords TOS.", but for clarity, anything considered "user account automation" is disallowed, including custom clients and similar. See ex. https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002192352-Automated-user-accounts-self-bots- https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/11500219235... (Obligatory disclaimer: I don't work for Discord, I just use it heavily and make a bunch of proper bots for it)

Y_Y 7y ago
How dare they!
tombh 7y ago
I wonder if a browser is considered a self-bot? Because the text-based browser https://www.brow.sh https://www.brow.sh supports modern web applications.
- untog 7y ago
  Presumably a browser would not be, but an automated browser would be. They're concerned about the end result, not how it's done.
noirscape 7y ago
Whilst it's not an endorsement to do any of this, from experience, they only take action if another user reports you or if you start spamming their servers with requests.
aflag 7y ago
Bummer, I was about to start using discord. There are a few servers that I'd like to join, but I find their app slow and annoying. This could've been a good compromise. I don't want to break their TOS, though.
- mathgeek 7y ago
  Could you elaborate on why a custom client is the different between using their service and choosing not to at all?
  - aflag 7y ago
    I think the main reason is just performance. The official client is slow and slows down my computer. I have signed up and joined a few servers like Mario maker ones and the one for the diablo disassembly project (which I always forget the name). Currently, once in a blue moon I open it in search for mario maker IDs. However, I never spend any time there, as the chatting experience is not very good. It's not very good because: - notifications work badly for me (notifying a lot more than I'd like, I briefly tried to get it to only notify me when someone called me specifically, but I can't couldn't find a way that wouldn't involve going through all the channels - it's slow and uses too much memory for my puny little pc - it's hard to keep track of the last read message and current latest message. It requires clicks and it's clunky to use. - this is a personal one, I find the interface really ugly and I value beauty in my UIs If there was a server I was incredibly excited about I could put up with it. But given my mild interest, I end up never logging in. If there was a terminal UI that I could leave running in the background, not taking too many resources, I'd definitely leave it on a tab and interact on topics I found interesting, just like I do currently with IRC.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      Have you tried running it in a browser? Most features work, and Firefox/Chrome have much better notification systems and performance.
      - aflag 7y ago
        When I run it nowadays is usually on Chrome. I'm just glad the people and projects I really care about are not on discord.
    - deleted 7y ago
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ameliaquining 7y ago
Where exactly does it say that custom clients are against the TOS? Those aren't a form of automation. Discord deliberately offers (and this project uses) an API for posting from non-bot accounts, which implies that there are at least some legitimate use cases for using it.
- empyrical 7y ago
  They discourage custom clients and also they discourage browser extensions that modify the discord interface (like Better Discord) https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/846597021431713792 https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/846597021431713792 https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/972529263269371904?lang=en https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/972529263269371904?lan... https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/908000828690182145?lang=en https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/908000828690182145?lan... I don't think they will send the banhammer down on you unless you use it for spamming or "self-botting" but it still seems a bit risky Ripcord seems to have survived this long without incident for its users, for example https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ But they might start cracking down if a certain % of people start using other clients
- notamy 7y ago
  > Discord deliberately offers (and this project uses) an API for posting from non-bot accounts, which implies that there are at least some legitimate use cases for using it. The official client uses the exact same API as bot accounts, with the exception of a few endpoints being restricted to certain account types. Any form of "use a user account via API endpoints" outside of OAuth is discouraged, to say the least, although in general they won't actively hunt down people who do so.

by notamy 7y ago

Y_Y 7y ago

How dare they!

tombh 7y ago

I wonder if a browser is considered a self-bot? Because the text-based browser https://www.brow.sh https://www.brow.sh supports modern web applications.

untog 7y ago
Presumably a browser would not be, but an automated browser would be. They're concerned about the end result, not how it's done.

noirscape 7y ago

Whilst it's not an endorsement to do any of this, from experience, they only take action if another user reports you or if you start spamming their servers with requests.

aflag 7y ago

Bummer, I was about to start using discord. There are a few servers that I'd like to join, but I find their app slow and annoying. This could've been a good compromise. I don't want to break their TOS, though.

mathgeek 7y ago
Could you elaborate on why a custom client is the different between using their service and choosing not to at all?
- aflag 7y ago
  I think the main reason is just performance. The official client is slow and slows down my computer. I have signed up and joined a few servers like Mario maker ones and the one for the diablo disassembly project (which I always forget the name). Currently, once in a blue moon I open it in search for mario maker IDs. However, I never spend any time there, as the chatting experience is not very good. It's not very good because: - notifications work badly for me (notifying a lot more than I'd like, I briefly tried to get it to only notify me when someone called me specifically, but I can't couldn't find a way that wouldn't involve going through all the channels - it's slow and uses too much memory for my puny little pc - it's hard to keep track of the last read message and current latest message. It requires clicks and it's clunky to use. - this is a personal one, I find the interface really ugly and I value beauty in my UIs If there was a server I was incredibly excited about I could put up with it. But given my mild interest, I end up never logging in. If there was a terminal UI that I could leave running in the background, not taking too many resources, I'd definitely leave it on a tab and interact on topics I found interesting, just like I do currently with IRC.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    Have you tried running it in a browser? Most features work, and Firefox/Chrome have much better notification systems and performance.
    - aflag 7y ago
      When I run it nowadays is usually on Chrome. I'm just glad the people and projects I really care about are not on discord.
  - deleted 7y ago
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ameliaquining 7y ago

Where exactly does it say that custom clients are against the TOS? Those aren't a form of automation. Discord deliberately offers (and this project uses) an API for posting from non-bot accounts, which implies that there are at least some legitimate use cases for using it.

empyrical 7y ago
They discourage custom clients and also they discourage browser extensions that modify the discord interface (like Better Discord) https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/846597021431713792 https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/846597021431713792 https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/972529263269371904?lang=en https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/972529263269371904?lan... https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/908000828690182145?lang=en https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/908000828690182145?lan... I don't think they will send the banhammer down on you unless you use it for spamming or "self-botting" but it still seems a bit risky Ripcord seems to have survived this long without incident for its users, for example https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ https://cancel.fm/ripcord/ But they might start cracking down if a certain % of people start using other clients
notamy 7y ago
> Discord deliberately offers (and this project uses) an API for posting from non-bot accounts, which implies that there are at least some legitimate use cases for using it. The official client uses the exact same API as bot accounts, with the exception of a few endpoints being restricted to certain account types. Any form of "use a user account via API endpoints" outside of OAuth is discouraged, to say the least, although in general they won't actively hunt down people who do so.