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This is an EU rule, no? Because it's not just Sweden. Still, tbh, it still works on some items. Eg here most producer gradually shrinked yoghurt from 175 to 14

This is an EU rule, no? Because it's not just Sweden. Still, tbh, it still works on some items. Eg here most producer gradually shrinked yoghurt from 175 to 140g - pisses me off, but I must assume it works.

hnarn 7y ago
Sweden passed the law in 1991 and joined the EU in 1995 — and as usual, stating "this exists in country X" is not insinuating "this only exists in country X".
- foepys 7y ago
  Relax a bit. The only point GP was trying to make is that it's not just Sweden but in many EU countries it's also a law. There is no need to be aggressive.
  - hnarn 7y ago
    I'm not being aggressive, I'm just frustrated because it seems to be impossible to point out that something is the case in the country where I live without one of the replies being in the spirit of "well, actually..." — so all I'm saying is that pointing out a phenomenon as geographically situated somewhere is not the same as pointing it out as unique to that location. I get this often enough that I expect it every time, so I'm sorry if some of the frustration shines through. There just seems to be a pathological tendency to correct people, to the extent where the errors are willfully interpreted as such.
    - badestrand 7y ago
      I get why this frustrates you but as you can not change other people you could try to clarify by adding a "This might exist in other countries as well" or similar.
  - RivieraKid 7y ago
    To be honest, it is your "relax a bit" and "no need to be aggressive" comments that are kind of passive-aggressive. In the whole history of relaxing, no one has ever relaxed after being told to relax a bit.
    - chrisdhoover 7y ago
      Man I’m relaxing now. Got my feet up, contemplating getting a drink after I read these comments.
- derriz 7y ago
  You’re being over sensitive I think. The reply isn’t “correcting” you - it actually adds information. Strictly speaking you are correct but generally if a fact is qualified by a restriction like “this exists in country X”, given there are around 200 countries in the world, it certainly implies there that country X is somewhat unusual in some regard. If you had claimed “in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels”, then I’d find it perfectly reasonable for someone to point out that it’s also the case in other countries.
  - hnarn 7y ago
    > If you had claimed “in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels” 1. This is a dishonest comparison, because cars have 4 wheels by definition, while price labeling is very much differentiated across the globe. 2. Even if Sweden was one of only five countries in the world where cars have 4 wheels, saying "in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels" is still not the same thing as saying "Sweden is special, we have cars with four wheels, I bet no other countries do". The fact that you interpret it more as the latter says more about your own bias than what is stated in the text.
    - derriz 7y ago
      I’m being dishonest? It was an example to illustrate a simple point which has nothing to do with Sweden. Your 2nd point has absolutely nothing to do with anything I wrote and I’ve no idea how you inferred those claims unless you’re angry or upset. Let me try one last time with an example. In this exchange, which party is being unreasonable; A: “in Switzerland, you have to pay for plastic bags in supermarkets”... B: “it’s the same in many other countries”... A: I NEVER CLAIMED SWITZERLAND WAS SPECIAL!!!
      - hnarn 7y ago
        Again, you're characterizing me dishonestly, but at least this time you accurately described the situation. You're well aware that you changed the dialogue to make A sound unreasonable, instead of trying to understand why the point made by B could be understood as an unwarranted correction by A. I suggest we leave it at that because we will not agree.
- virgilp 7y ago
  FWIW, I was actually, honestly wondering whether this is now an EU rule. Didn't know Sweden initiated this, good for you guys, obviously it's a fairly advanced society so one would expect a lot of the good EU ideas come from you. But I was merely wondering if it was just mimicked everywhere, or it is now a formal EU rule (I suspect the latter since unfortunately our politicians are not quick to adopt good ideas, unless said ideas are somehow forced on them)

hnarn 7y ago

Sweden passed the law in 1991 and joined the EU in 1995 — and as usual, stating "this exists in country X" is not insinuating "this only exists in country X".

foepys 7y ago
Relax a bit. The only point GP was trying to make is that it's not just Sweden but in many EU countries it's also a law. There is no need to be aggressive.
- hnarn 7y ago
  I'm not being aggressive, I'm just frustrated because it seems to be impossible to point out that something is the case in the country where I live without one of the replies being in the spirit of "well, actually..." — so all I'm saying is that pointing out a phenomenon as geographically situated somewhere is not the same as pointing it out as unique to that location. I get this often enough that I expect it every time, so I'm sorry if some of the frustration shines through. There just seems to be a pathological tendency to correct people, to the extent where the errors are willfully interpreted as such.
  - badestrand 7y ago
    I get why this frustrates you but as you can not change other people you could try to clarify by adding a "This might exist in other countries as well" or similar.
- RivieraKid 7y ago
  To be honest, it is your "relax a bit" and "no need to be aggressive" comments that are kind of passive-aggressive. In the whole history of relaxing, no one has ever relaxed after being told to relax a bit.
  - chrisdhoover 7y ago
    Man I’m relaxing now. Got my feet up, contemplating getting a drink after I read these comments.
derriz 7y ago
You’re being over sensitive I think. The reply isn’t “correcting” you - it actually adds information. Strictly speaking you are correct but generally if a fact is qualified by a restriction like “this exists in country X”, given there are around 200 countries in the world, it certainly implies there that country X is somewhat unusual in some regard. If you had claimed “in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels”, then I’d find it perfectly reasonable for someone to point out that it’s also the case in other countries.
- hnarn 7y ago
  > If you had claimed “in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels” 1. This is a dishonest comparison, because cars have 4 wheels by definition, while price labeling is very much differentiated across the globe. 2. Even if Sweden was one of only five countries in the world where cars have 4 wheels, saying "in Sweden, cars have 4 wheels" is still not the same thing as saying "Sweden is special, we have cars with four wheels, I bet no other countries do". The fact that you interpret it more as the latter says more about your own bias than what is stated in the text.
  - derriz 7y ago
    I’m being dishonest? It was an example to illustrate a simple point which has nothing to do with Sweden. Your 2nd point has absolutely nothing to do with anything I wrote and I’ve no idea how you inferred those claims unless you’re angry or upset. Let me try one last time with an example. In this exchange, which party is being unreasonable; A: “in Switzerland, you have to pay for plastic bags in supermarkets”... B: “it’s the same in many other countries”... A: I NEVER CLAIMED SWITZERLAND WAS SPECIAL!!!
    - hnarn 7y ago
      Again, you're characterizing me dishonestly, but at least this time you accurately described the situation. You're well aware that you changed the dialogue to make A sound unreasonable, instead of trying to understand why the point made by B could be understood as an unwarranted correction by A. I suggest we leave it at that because we will not agree.
virgilp 7y ago
FWIW, I was actually, honestly wondering whether this is now an EU rule. Didn't know Sweden initiated this, good for you guys, obviously it's a fairly advanced society so one would expect a lot of the good EU ideas come from you. But I was merely wondering if it was just mimicked everywhere, or it is now a formal EU rule (I suspect the latter since unfortunately our politicians are not quick to adopt good ideas, unless said ideas are somehow forced on them)