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> Wouldn't then they be criminals? A lot of people justify genocide by calling the targets of their mass murder "criminals". We are absolutely not killing mil

by stale2002 7y ago

> Wouldn't then they be criminals? A lot of people justify genocide by calling the targets of their mass murder "criminals". We are absolutely not killing millions and millions of people in the US right now, as you are advocating for. No 1st world country is doing anything even close to what you are advocating, which is whole scale mass murder, on the same level of number of deaths, as all of the horrible genocides that the world talks about. Your suggestion of mass murder against millions and millions of people is well outside the realm of anything that 1st world country is even coming close to doing, and you can expect 10s of millions to fight this crazy mass mass murder plan. You'd probably have to kill not just the gun owners, but also all these 10s of people in pretty much every major 1st world country, as well, who vowed to never let anything like that happen again, who would fight back in the civil war that you created. (such a civil war would cause more deaths than all mass shootings in the entire world, put together, 10 times over)

coldtea 7y ago
Notice how the this obsession with "mass murder" is yours. I've suggested a no-deaths-whatsoever, totally legal process: make guns illegal, and have people hand them in to police. Peacefully. (In fact, to sweeten the deal, I'll now add that they will then get their money back (the price of the guns), plus a lollipop). To which you obsess that "Most/millions of gun owning people will never hand them in, even if it's made illegal to have a gun" and then pretend that the only alternatives are "gun ownership allowed" and "mass murder of millions".
- stale2002 7y ago
  > Notice how the this obsession with "mass murder" is yours Of course I am obsessed with preventing mass murder. People said never again, and they meant it. You are the one saying "oh, they are just criminals". > have people hand them in to police People will not hand them in. You'd have to kill them, by the millions (oh, and also you'd have to kill the 10s of millions who merely oppose death squads) That's the reality of the situation. Millions of people in the US aren't going to hand in their guns to the government, and would rather face the government death squads. So you can either be happy with an ineffective law that millions aren't going to follow, or you can take the death squads option, and good luck with that, because that's also not going to work.
amaccuish 7y ago
> A lot of people justify genocide by calling the targets of their mass murder "criminals". As an aside, the US government currently justifies it's incredibly dehumanising treatment of migrants because they're labelled "illegals".

coldtea 7y ago

Notice how the this obsession with "mass murder" is yours. I've suggested a no-deaths-whatsoever, totally legal process: make guns illegal, and have people hand them in to police. Peacefully. (In fact, to sweeten the deal, I'll now add that they will then get their money back (the price of the guns), plus a lollipop). To which you obsess that "Most/millions of gun owning people will never hand them in, even if it's made illegal to have a gun" and then pretend that the only alternatives are "gun ownership allowed" and "mass murder of millions".

stale2002 7y ago
> Notice how the this obsession with "mass murder" is yours Of course I am obsessed with preventing mass murder. People said never again, and they meant it. You are the one saying "oh, they are just criminals". > have people hand them in to police People will not hand them in. You'd have to kill them, by the millions (oh, and also you'd have to kill the 10s of millions who merely oppose death squads) That's the reality of the situation. Millions of people in the US aren't going to hand in their guns to the government, and would rather face the government death squads. So you can either be happy with an ineffective law that millions aren't going to follow, or you can take the death squads option, and good luck with that, because that's also not going to work.

amaccuish 7y ago

> A lot of people justify genocide by calling the targets of their mass murder "criminals". As an aside, the US government currently justifies it's incredibly dehumanising treatment of migrants because they're labelled "illegals".