I know both of these names, although I am always amazed every year how the media swarms DEFCON and there always seems to be a steady stream of news stories and

I know both of these names, although I am always amazed every year how the media swarms DEFCON and there always seems to be a steady stream of news stories and articles about computer security and various hacking things for a week or two or so every year during and after DEFCON. Every now and again the CCC is mentioned in a news story, but it seems like the US media loves to talk about the big hacker gathering in Vegas.