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That's a really interesting keyboard! I think I've seen one or two like it at the office - I will have to take a closer look. It wouldn't work for me, because

That's a really interesting keyboard! I think I've seen one or two like it at the office - I will have to take a closer look. It wouldn't work for me, because as I mentioned in another comment I am a TrackPoint fanatic. I've used ThinkPads for 20 years and even have a USB ThinkPad keyboard on my desktop at work. But thank you for mentioning this option - everyone has different needs and I'm sure this will be very helpful for someone.

SuperPaintMan 7y ago
For the record, if you're a DIY-er you can hack a TrackPoint on there :) https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/docs/feature_ps2_mouse.md https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/docs/feature...
inawarminister 7y ago
I've never tried it, but I've heard that "Ultimate Hacking Keyboard" has a TrackPoint add-on module [0] http://xahlee.info/kbd/ultimate_hacking_keyboard.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/ultimate_hacking_keyboard.html
- SuperPaintMan 7y ago
  It does, but it's also not very programmable or backed by a open source firmware. Give JWZs review on it a read :)
  - mondalaci 7y ago
    The UHK firmware is open source. I should also mention that the configurator of the UHK is more advanced and polished than any alternatives. JWZs review is completely unjust as he hates 60% keyboards. Read my comment in his post.
    - SuperPaintMan 7y ago
      I did, My main Issue with the UHK is it doesn't go hard enough. I looks like a half-baked attempt the make a ergonomic board similar to Alice and the Mistel Barraco just with some extra doodads. Cool that it's open-source. Why not leverage QMK and Via for a graphical configurator? Edit: Not trying to shit on the UHK, but it seems like a _decent_ keyboard. My fault with it is that it's much too conventional and thus ends up falling into the trap that many boards already to (pinky overuse, wrist angling, gimmicks over form). It's great that you managed to create a product and bring it to market. But it doesn't really bring anything new to the table or deserve the name 'Ultimate Hacking Keyboard'.
      - mondalaci 7y ago
        The modules are a game changer of actual usability value which haven't been implemented by any keyboards yet. Ignoring their value and calling them doodads is unfair. None of the open source firmwares support the modular architecture of the UHK or allow for the easy update of the configuration without using full-blown compilers so they are not suitable for us. We'll release further UHKs of additional layouts, columnar included.
        SuperPaintMan 7y ago
        Seems easy enough to check if a device at a given I2C address is there and enable functionality. There few a few devices doing this already. Via has been doing non-flashing keymap updates for years and is cross platform. Reach out and help contribute. Here's hoping you can make a keyboard worth the name. Exposing interfaces to users can bodge on their own hardware would be a good start. Maybe getting a ergonomics nuts on the team as well.
        mondalaci 7y ago
        You're vastly oversimplifying product design. It's not just about I2C. No other split keyboards allow for the attachment of extra modules in the middle. You hardly ever used the UHK, yet you keep suggesting that we should use external firmware projects. We use ours because it offers certain benefits specific to our design. Even if you used the UHK, there's a good chance you'd ignore what it can offer because you're so biased toward columnar layout and other open source firmware projects. I appreciate the value of columnar layouts, but the rest is bias towards your own preferences.

SuperPaintMan 7y ago

For the record, if you're a DIY-er you can hack a TrackPoint on there :) https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/docs/feature_ps2_mouse.md https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/blob/master/docs/feature...

inawarminister 7y ago

I've never tried it, but I've heard that "Ultimate Hacking Keyboard" has a TrackPoint add-on module [0] http://xahlee.info/kbd/ultimate_hacking_keyboard.html http://xahlee.info/kbd/ultimate_hacking_keyboard.html

SuperPaintMan 7y ago
It does, but it's also not very programmable or backed by a open source firmware. Give JWZs review on it a read :)
- mondalaci 7y ago
  The UHK firmware is open source. I should also mention that the configurator of the UHK is more advanced and polished than any alternatives. JWZs review is completely unjust as he hates 60% keyboards. Read my comment in his post.
  - SuperPaintMan 7y ago
    I did, My main Issue with the UHK is it doesn't go hard enough. I looks like a half-baked attempt the make a ergonomic board similar to Alice and the Mistel Barraco just with some extra doodads. Cool that it's open-source. Why not leverage QMK and Via for a graphical configurator? Edit: Not trying to shit on the UHK, but it seems like a _decent_ keyboard. My fault with it is that it's much too conventional and thus ends up falling into the trap that many boards already to (pinky overuse, wrist angling, gimmicks over form). It's great that you managed to create a product and bring it to market. But it doesn't really bring anything new to the table or deserve the name 'Ultimate Hacking Keyboard'.
    - mondalaci 7y ago
      The modules are a game changer of actual usability value which haven't been implemented by any keyboards yet. Ignoring their value and calling them doodads is unfair. None of the open source firmwares support the modular architecture of the UHK or allow for the easy update of the configuration without using full-blown compilers so they are not suitable for us. We'll release further UHKs of additional layouts, columnar included.
      - SuperPaintMan 7y ago
        Seems easy enough to check if a device at a given I2C address is there and enable functionality. There few a few devices doing this already. Via has been doing non-flashing keymap updates for years and is cross platform. Reach out and help contribute. Here's hoping you can make a keyboard worth the name. Exposing interfaces to users can bodge on their own hardware would be a good start. Maybe getting a ergonomics nuts on the team as well.
        mondalaci 7y ago
        You're vastly oversimplifying product design. It's not just about I2C. No other split keyboards allow for the attachment of extra modules in the middle. You hardly ever used the UHK, yet you keep suggesting that we should use external firmware projects. We use ours because it offers certain benefits specific to our design. Even if you used the UHK, there's a good chance you'd ignore what it can offer because you're so biased toward columnar layout and other open source firmware projects. I appreciate the value of columnar layouts, but the rest is bias towards your own preferences.