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I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't. Also Whatsapp UX is much simpler and I value simplicity. Telegram is starting

by chupa 7y ago

I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't. Also Whatsapp UX is much simpler and I value simplicity. Telegram is starting to look like a spaceship with so many features.

eitland 7y ago
> I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't. Telegram has encrypted chats by default, just not E2E-encrypted.
- chupa 7y ago
  I don't think we should be celebrating that the chats are not sent in plaintext over the net in 2019. That's not the point.
  - eitland 7y ago
    You not only implied that Telwgram chats where unencrypted (AKA plaintext), you outright stated it. That is wrong. I guess there are some real issues with Telegram, but lets be honest and not lie and say it isn't encrypted.
- ericd 7y ago
  What does it mean that they're encrypted, but not E2E? That means the chats are MITM'd by the company, no? If you're talking about HTTPS, that's an incredibly low bar.
  - eitland 7y ago
    As far as I understand it it means keys goes one way, messages another way, so that no single jurisdiction can get hold of anyones messages by seizing the servers. Warning: the above is just my very simplified explanation of my understanding of what I read a while ago. Edit: again, this is based on something I read a while ago, but I think Gmail has or had a similar system where you have to have access to two different places in the system to get hold of the messages, so yes, Google can get hold of anyones messages bjt it is not like anyone can do a select * from messages where accountid = 12345. (And this is not how I think they store the mails anyway :-)
    - ericd 7y ago
      Ah interesting, thanks very much for explaining it.
9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago
How do you verify that WhatsApp actually is end to end encrypted? The founders have lamented that the project is screwed, so you're left with a claim made my Zuckerberg and his buddies?
- dewey 7y ago
  They are using the same encryption as Signal and it was done by the people running and developing Signal. "As of today, the integration is fully complete. Users running the most recent versions of WhatsApp on any platform now get full end-to-end encryption for every message they send and every WhatsApp call they make when communicating with each other." https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/

by chupa 7y ago

eitland 7y ago

> I've done my research. Whatsapp has encrypted chats by default, Telegram doesn't. Telegram has encrypted chats by default, just not E2E-encrypted.

chupa 7y ago
I don't think we should be celebrating that the chats are not sent in plaintext over the net in 2019. That's not the point.
- eitland 7y ago
  You not only implied that Telwgram chats where unencrypted (AKA plaintext), you outright stated it. That is wrong. I guess there are some real issues with Telegram, but lets be honest and not lie and say it isn't encrypted.
ericd 7y ago
What does it mean that they're encrypted, but not E2E? That means the chats are MITM'd by the company, no? If you're talking about HTTPS, that's an incredibly low bar.
- eitland 7y ago
  As far as I understand it it means keys goes one way, messages another way, so that no single jurisdiction can get hold of anyones messages by seizing the servers. Warning: the above is just my very simplified explanation of my understanding of what I read a while ago. Edit: again, this is based on something I read a while ago, but I think Gmail has or had a similar system where you have to have access to two different places in the system to get hold of the messages, so yes, Google can get hold of anyones messages bjt it is not like anyone can do a select * from messages where accountid = 12345. (And this is not how I think they store the mails anyway :-)
  - ericd 7y ago
    Ah interesting, thanks very much for explaining it.

9HZZRfNlpR 7y ago

How do you verify that WhatsApp actually is end to end encrypted? The founders have lamented that the project is screwed, so you're left with a claim made my Zuckerberg and his buddies?

dewey 7y ago
They are using the same encryption as Signal and it was done by the people running and developing Signal. "As of today, the integration is fully complete. Users running the most recent versions of WhatsApp on any platform now get full end-to-end encryption for every message they send and every WhatsApp call they make when communicating with each other." https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/ https://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/