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The whole point of having guns is so that if somebody tries to take them away from you, you have the tools of preventing that. The police in Hong Kong would be

The whole point of having guns is so that if somebody tries to take them away from you, you have the tools of preventing that. The police in Hong Kong would be a lot more respectful if the (massive, dense) crowd was armed with more than laser pointers. The riots in LA where Korean shop owners defended their property. Etc., etc. Hell there were violent protests in Ferguson, MO not long ago. "Gun Control" was originally just a mechanism to keep the (black, brown) population from owning guns; just a way of disarming the black/brown population. Look at the past laws, and current policing! Some people in the US think "It can't happen here, now we should get rid of guns!" - as we watch the authorities putting children in cages, and protests in other countries where the police beat up protesters, and riots where people defend their loved ones and property, the rise of White Nationalism from "simmer" to "boil" and people still think we shouldn't have guns? There's absolutely no way, in hell, Americans would willingly disarm - nor should we.

EForEndeavour 7y ago
> The police in Hong Kong would be a lot more respectful if the (massive, dense) crowd was armed with more than laser pointers This statement is laughable, yet terrifying in its naiveté. > "Gun Control" was originally just a mechanism to keep the (black, brown) population from owning guns; just a way of disarming the black/brown population. Look at the past laws, and current policing! The history of gun politics is inextricably tied to race, but your comment is as dismissive of gun control as it is unsupported and vague, as if waving your hands and dropping a hint of racial bias categorically invalidates arguments in favour of restricting firearms rights.
- analognoise 7y ago
  Yeah, terrifying for the CCP, but not for the people. "Disarm the populace" is authoritarianism 101. The IRA, Checnya, Afghanistan - armed and motivated populations are dangerous. Not sure how that's naivete; that's why it was written into the Constitution. It isn't "a hint of racial bias" - gun control is directly racist, always has been. "Well it isn't now" doesn't hold much water.
- jki275 7y ago
  His comment is exactly accurate. The US didn’t have gun control until the democrats enacted Jim Crow laws throughout the south. The entire purpose and history of gun control in the US was to keep black people from being able to defend themselves from the KKK.
  - analognoise 7y ago
    It WAY predates Jim Crow.
tootie 7y ago
China showed their willingness to deploy armored vehicles in civilian areas 30 years ago. If citizens had guns there'd be a bloodbath right now.
- analognoise 7y ago
  Would the Tiananmen Square protesters have rather had guns, or not? They were all cool with being ground up by armored vehicles and washed down storm drains? Would the Jews of the Holocaust have rather had guns, or not? By not having guns, you're not preventing a bloodbath - you're delaying it, and ensuring that you're on the losing side 100% of the time.

EForEndeavour 7y ago

> The police in Hong Kong would be a lot more respectful if the (massive, dense) crowd was armed with more than laser pointers This statement is laughable, yet terrifying in its naiveté. > "Gun Control" was originally just a mechanism to keep the (black, brown) population from owning guns; just a way of disarming the black/brown population. Look at the past laws, and current policing! The history of gun politics is inextricably tied to race, but your comment is as dismissive of gun control as it is unsupported and vague, as if waving your hands and dropping a hint of racial bias categorically invalidates arguments in favour of restricting firearms rights.

analognoise 7y ago
Yeah, terrifying for the CCP, but not for the people. "Disarm the populace" is authoritarianism 101. The IRA, Checnya, Afghanistan - armed and motivated populations are dangerous. Not sure how that's naivete; that's why it was written into the Constitution. It isn't "a hint of racial bias" - gun control is directly racist, always has been. "Well it isn't now" doesn't hold much water.
jki275 7y ago
His comment is exactly accurate. The US didn’t have gun control until the democrats enacted Jim Crow laws throughout the south. The entire purpose and history of gun control in the US was to keep black people from being able to defend themselves from the KKK.
- analognoise 7y ago
  It WAY predates Jim Crow.

tootie 7y ago

China showed their willingness to deploy armored vehicles in civilian areas 30 years ago. If citizens had guns there'd be a bloodbath right now.

analognoise 7y ago
Would the Tiananmen Square protesters have rather had guns, or not? They were all cool with being ground up by armored vehicles and washed down storm drains? Would the Jews of the Holocaust have rather had guns, or not? By not having guns, you're not preventing a bloodbath - you're delaying it, and ensuring that you're on the losing side 100% of the time.