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> It's been shown that it's very hard to prove that you're not mentally ill if you're labeled as such. But what if you do have a condition that requires therap

> It's been shown that it's very hard to prove that you're not mentally ill if you're labeled as such. But what if you do have a condition that requires therapy? You're unlikely to recognize it yourself. Would you always refuse treatment and just go with painkillers instead? > Getting treatment just means you'll be put on essentially random psychiatric medications (which have their own side-effects) or have to spend years in useless therapy (while your actual disease may progress). The patient in this case would not see a psychiatrist since he's not depressed or mentally ill. Instead he would be sent to a psychologist who can only recommend further therapy. Ofcourse if the symptoms become worse you should immediately see the GP and not wait for therapy. > If a doctor isn't willing to do the proper testing or evaluation the first time then they won't do it a second time either If your symptoms become worse the doctor will definitely recommend testing. Therapy is something to do as part of diagnosing your ailment.

marcinzm 7y ago
>The patient in this case would not see a psychiatrist since he's not depressed or mentally ill. Severe pain due to psychosomatic causes sounds like mental illness to me. >Instead he would be sent to a psychologist who can only recommend further therapy. No, they can also strongly recommend that they see a psychiatrist for potential medications. >The patient in this case would not see a psychiatrist since he's not depressed or mentally ill. Every health system I've dealt with funnels to medication pretty strongly. Therapy is a slow process and medication allows a patient to not be in distress during the years it can take. >Therapy is something to do as part of diagnosing your ailment. Therapy is a slow process that in the best of cases can take years to work and longer in other cases. It is a shitty approach to diagnosis.
- armada651 7y ago
  > Severe pain due to psychosomatic causes sounds like mental illness to me. In that case you're assuming both the psychiatrist and the GP overreact. > Every health system I've dealt with funnels to medication pretty strongly. Because patients often insist on medication because they do not accept that the ailment can't immediately be diagnosed.
  - marcinzm 7y ago
    >Because patients often insist on medication because they do not accept that the ailment can't immediately be diagnosed. Not my experience both personally and with those I know regarding mental illness. Doctors are quick to diagnose mental illnesses (correctly or not) and prescribe medications for them (even if the patient is hesitant). Some health systems even make it nearly impossible to get a therapist (we can see you once a month starting in two months...) but not a psychiatrist.

marcinzm 7y ago

>The patient in this case would not see a psychiatrist since he's not depressed or mentally ill. Severe pain due to psychosomatic causes sounds like mental illness to me. >Instead he would be sent to a psychologist who can only recommend further therapy. No, they can also strongly recommend that they see a psychiatrist for potential medications. >The patient in this case would not see a psychiatrist since he's not depressed or mentally ill. Every health system I've dealt with funnels to medication pretty strongly. Therapy is a slow process and medication allows a patient to not be in distress during the years it can take. >Therapy is something to do as part of diagnosing your ailment. Therapy is a slow process that in the best of cases can take years to work and longer in other cases. It is a shitty approach to diagnosis.

armada651 7y ago
> Severe pain due to psychosomatic causes sounds like mental illness to me. In that case you're assuming both the psychiatrist and the GP overreact. > Every health system I've dealt with funnels to medication pretty strongly. Because patients often insist on medication because they do not accept that the ailment can't immediately be diagnosed.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  >Because patients often insist on medication because they do not accept that the ailment can't immediately be diagnosed. Not my experience both personally and with those I know regarding mental illness. Doctors are quick to diagnose mental illnesses (correctly or not) and prescribe medications for them (even if the patient is hesitant). Some health systems even make it nearly impossible to get a therapist (we can see you once a month starting in two months...) but not a psychiatrist.