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> it's often case that prison 'suicides' are in fact covers for police brutality gone too far How often?

by mieseratte 7y ago

faissaloo 7y ago
I didn't give a number because I don't have one.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  So how do you know it’s a common occurrence?
  - faissaloo 7y ago
    I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths.
    - mieseratte 7y ago
      > I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths. "Every time I read an article on bagels it's about bagels!" I'm asking how common is cover-up in relation to prison-suicide, not if it occurs at all.
mayankkaizen 7y ago
Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides? Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality? How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder? Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail? How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police? What are the actual numbers of black people being subjected to police brutality? If you cannot provide the actual numbers, does that mean it doesn't happen at all. I am all for data but many times I feel like people ask for data just for the sake of derailing the otherwise meaningful discussion or because they're trying to be over smart.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  > Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides? I'm asking how often they are cover-ups. > Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality? I'm asking how often they are cover-ups. > How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder? Maybe someone has done some research into this or is otherwise more informed than I and I would love to know. > Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail? No but one can certainly try. > How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police? What are the actual numbers of black people being subjected to police brutality? If you cannot provide the actual numbers, does that mean it doesn't happen at all. That's irrelevant to my question. > I am all for data but many times I feel like people ask for data just for the sake of derailing the otherwise meaningful discussion or because they're trying to be over smart. Sometimes I feel like people derail a thread because they're presumptuous and read too much into a simple question.

> it's often case that prison 'suicides' are in fact covers for police brutality gone too far How often?

faissaloo 7y ago

I didn't give a number because I don't have one.

mieseratte 7y ago
So how do you know it’s a common occurrence?
- faissaloo 7y ago
  I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    > I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths. "Every time I read an article on bagels it's about bagels!" I'm asking how common is cover-up in relation to prison-suicide, not if it occurs at all.

mayankkaizen 7y ago

Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides? Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality? How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder? Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail? How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police? What are the actual numbers of black people being subjected to police brutality? If you cannot provide the actual numbers, does that mean it doesn't happen at all. I am all for data but many times I feel like people ask for data just for the sake of derailing the otherwise meaningful discussion or because they're trying to be over smart.

mieseratte 7y ago
> Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides? I'm asking how often they are cover-ups. > Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality? I'm asking how often they are cover-ups. > How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder? Maybe someone has done some research into this or is otherwise more informed than I and I would love to know. > Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail? No but one can certainly try. > How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police? What are the actual numbers of black people being subjected to police brutality? If you cannot provide the actual numbers, does that mean it doesn't happen at all. That's irrelevant to my question. > I am all for data but many times I feel like people ask for data just for the sake of derailing the otherwise meaningful discussion or because they're trying to be over smart. Sometimes I feel like people derail a thread because they're presumptuous and read too much into a simple question.