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Name two.

by brador 7y ago

Name two.

DanBC 7y ago
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/against-the-stream-intermittent-nurse-observations-of-inpatients-at-night-serve-no-purpose-and-cause-sleep-deprivation/BF2CD76D8F8970581ED48C7594E9A3C4# https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/art... > Suicides between 23.00 h and 07.00 h are rare, and these overwhelmingly occur under intermittent observations. Such observation is purely a defensive intervention to document that a patient is safe at a particular time, as there is no engagement. I work with anonymised data. If you want actual names I'm going to have to trawl through coroner's reports. Or you could have a look at this, which says about 18 patients per year in the UK: https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37570 https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37570
- brador 7y ago
  The UK and US have very different prison systems and prison protocols. I don't think their numbers can be compared. Additionally, Epstein was under suicide watch. Which should have made suicide practically impossible without outside intervention. Given the money and power at play here, murder made to look like a suicide is a very real possibility.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    Please read the links I supply which talk about patients in a hospital, but importantly these are patients under "suicide watch" -- this is what intermittent or continuous obs are for, to prevent suicide and self harm. People in this thread don't know what "suicide watch means". They seem to think it's 24 hour continuous monitoring. It may mean someone looks through a door hatch once every 15 minutes. But also, he may not have been on suicide watch: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-...
bjoli 7y ago
I can only talk about Swedish jails, but suicide attempts where People are held before prosecution and before sentencing (called arrest and häkte) are common enough. Just random googling gives me this: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjalvmordsforsok-sker-varje-vecka-i-svenska-hakten https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjalvmordsforsok-sker-var... Saying that there is a suicide attempt every week in Swedish "Häkte", meaning about 52 attempts per year with an average of 9000 people in "häkte" over the course of one year. And that is only in the cases where people are actually prosecuted. There are lots of mentions of suicides in "arrest" as well.

Name two.

by brador 7y ago

Name two.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/article/against-the-stream-intermittent-nurse-observations-of-inpatients-at-night-serve-no-purpose-and-cause-sleep-deprivation/BF2CD76D8F8970581ED48C7594E9A3C4# https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-bulletin/art... > Suicides between 23.00 h and 07.00 h are rare, and these overwhelmingly occur under intermittent observations. Such observation is purely a defensive intervention to document that a patient is safe at a particular time, as there is no engagement. I work with anonymised data. If you want actual names I'm going to have to trawl through coroner's reports. Or you could have a look at this, which says about 18 patients per year in the UK: https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37570 https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=37570

brador 7y ago
The UK and US have very different prison systems and prison protocols. I don't think their numbers can be compared. Additionally, Epstein was under suicide watch. Which should have made suicide practically impossible without outside intervention. Given the money and power at play here, murder made to look like a suicide is a very real possibility.
- DanBC 7y ago
  Please read the links I supply which talk about patients in a hospital, but importantly these are patients under "suicide watch" -- this is what intermittent or continuous obs are for, to prevent suicide and self harm. People in this thread don't know what "suicide watch means". They seem to think it's 24 hour continuous monitoring. It may mean someone looks through a door hatch once every 15 minutes. But also, he may not have been on suicide watch: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-...

bjoli 7y ago

I can only talk about Swedish jails, but suicide attempts where People are held before prosecution and before sentencing (called arrest and häkte) are common enough. Just random googling gives me this: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjalvmordsforsok-sker-varje-vecka-i-svenska-hakten https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjalvmordsforsok-sker-var... Saying that there is a suicide attempt every week in Swedish "Häkte", meaning about 52 attempts per year with an average of 9000 people in "häkte" over the course of one year. And that is only in the cases where people are actually prosecuted. There are lots of mentions of suicides in "arrest" as well.