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0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much bette
by Ididntdothis 7y ago
0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much better than tesla.
- endorphone 7y agoAcceleration is the one performance metric that drivers push daily, whether it's merging on the highway, passing, or just a thrill from the light. It is a bit disingenuous to say that it's "easy to achieve" given how it has long been the metric of supercars.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoTo get good acceleration you just need a big engine, traction and not much else. 0-60 is not even that meaningful for real world use of acceleration. 30-70 would be much more useful there.
- endorphone 7y agoThis sort of reductionism can be used for anything. To get good handling, you just need good traction and a low center of gravity. To get good top speeds you just need good top speed. To go to Mars you just need a big rocket. Traditionally obtaining good acceleration has been incredibly difficult. Larger engines yield a heavier vehicle in a vicious cycle. Makers like Lamborghini would reduce their cars to just shells, use esoteric materials if it could shed tiny amounts of weight, and then would spend enormous engineering trying to obtain more power from smaller engines (not bigger engines, more powerful, lighter engines). To casually dismiss this is just entirely untrue. Tesla made a big deal about acceleration because it comes essentially for free with electric engines that have incredible low end torque curves. They made a big, 5000lb, full featured, 5-seat sedan and they still could give it acceleration that blew away what million dollar supercars had been fighting to do for decades. And now we're all tut-tutting that Porsche might possibly make something that's kind of similarly capable in a car that will likely cost much more and seat two. Great.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoHandling is much more complex than traction and low center of gravity. The car needs to be predictable at different speeds, under braking and a mix of a lot of other conditions. That's a much more difficult thing to get right than going straight.
- CamperBob2 7y agoIt also helps to not weigh 4000 pounds.
- tomp 7y agoSure, but not 0-60 acceleration. The joy of driving a Porsche is that you can kick donw th pedal at 130 km/h and still feel the force of acceleration pushing your body into the seat.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoAnd the knowledge that the brakes will work well if you have to slow down.
- jaxn 7y ago0-60 is exactly what makes interstate on ramps a blast. With a wide open ramp, it can be more like 0-80+.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoDo you stop to 0 when you get on an interstate? 30-60 seems more realistic.
- jaxn 7y agoYeah, there are often lights before the on ramp
- leesec 7y agoShould try driving a Tesla, they handle amazingly.
- adrr 7y agoNot better than Porsche. I own both and Tesla suspension is pure garbage compared to the Porsche. Tesla 3 has insane body roll for a vehicle with the majority of weight below the center the wheels.
- MegaButts 7y agoI could not disagree more. I test drove a Model S years ago and was genuinely shocked how horribly it handled. Weight is the enemy of handling, and those cars drive like boats if you ever turn the steering wheel. However I have heard the Model 3 handles great, but still not quite as good as cars in the same price bracket. I'd take an M2 Competition over a Model 3 Performance based on what I've heard, but obviously until I drive both that's just conjecture. What I can say for a fact - I genuinely preferred how my 94 Camry handled compared to the Model S. And I fucking hated that Camry.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoI have driven one. It’s nice for cruising along but in corners it’s too soft and you just feel the weight. Definitely not a sports car. That’s ok since it’s not designed to be one.
- FireBeyond 7y agoDrive an Audi, or a Porsche. You'll realize how... muddy... Tesla handling is.
- cmsonger 7y ago> 0-60 is pretty useless I completely disagree. Quarter mile times with terminal speed over 100 is useless. 10/10 at the limit adhesion differences are useless. 0-60 is useful almost every time you get in the car. Nicest part about an EV? You pretty much get to choose your lane if you are first at the stop light. No making loud engine noises. Just floor the accelerator and choose what lane you want. That's the most practice performance metric out there in daily driving.
- tomatocracy 7y agoI'd say I care much more about 60-0 and 40-70 than 0-60. Those are both much more indicative of how good the car is in real world scenarios on the road where a performance car might be worth having (overtaking slow moving car, emergency braking).