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> the UK, where tech salaries top out around $100k. Citation needed. I work in a FAANG in London. I am a middle-performer in a non-senior position and not ev

> the UK, where tech salaries top out around $100k. Citation needed. I work in a FAANG in London. I am a middle-performer in a non-senior position and not even a "real" software engineer (I code, but its not my main job responsibility) and I am £84K/$101K basic, £149K/$180k total-comp. If I were a proper engineer, I'd expect to get at least 15-20% more than that, and if I were promoted to a "senior" position I'd expect a similar 10-15% pay rise too. There is money to be had in London.

throwaway082729 7y ago
Total comp for a middle engineer at Uber is $450k.
- mattlondon 7y ago
  That would be high for London for a middle-tier engineer! Although London is just as expensive as SF in terms of living expenses, we tend to be significantly underpayed by comparison IMO. "Market forces" etc.
- alexpetralia 7y ago
  Does this include stock-based compensation? If so, roughly how much is cash and how much is stock (vesting within the first year)?
  - throwaway082729 7y ago
    $230k can including bonus and $225k in RSU with can guarantee
    - alexpetralia 7y ago
      Interesting! Is that for example: * 150k cash base * 80k cash bonus (between sign-on & EOY performance) * 225k vests in the first year? 900k over 4 years? * What's an RSU guarantee? Does it convert to cash if some price is not met by the time it vests? I couldn't find anything on Google about this, but I am probably looking in the wrong place
- sonofaplum 7y ago
  Do you have direct experience or knowledge of this? Cause this doesn't square with my anecdotal knowledge or my sense of the bay area labor market. For instance levels.fyi quotes total comp for mid level engineers in the 250 range, which tails much closer to Google, Facebook, etc.
  - throwaway082729 7y ago
    Yes I do. I know someone that got this offer and recently joined. I helped them negotiate and pick offers. This was a staff engineer but the person had only 6 years of experience.
    - aardvarklegend 7y ago
      Staff (l7) is no where near middle engineer. L6 is senior, l5 is engineer and l4 is entry level. L6 is also split into two bands 6a and 6b. As a 6a my total comp is around 240 and on par with my coworkers. The l5s were closer to 200. L5 is a middle engineering level.
      - kerng 7y ago
        L6 is staff at Uber. They have this weird 5a/5b thing. Meaning Amzn/goog/fb L7 = Uber L6. Msft would probably 65/66 map to Uber L6.
porker 7y ago
Sources: Tech recruiters in London Contacts at a bank Twitter exchanges with other developers in the capital (including ex-AWS staff) GDS ex-staff
- mattlondon 7y ago
  Sounds like they are getting low-balled. I'd shop around as $100k total comp seems fairly low (although it buys more at the moment considering the GBP is so low right now) for anyone with more than 5-8 years experience.

throwaway082729 7y ago

Total comp for a middle engineer at Uber is $450k.

mattlondon 7y ago
That would be high for London for a middle-tier engineer! Although London is just as expensive as SF in terms of living expenses, we tend to be significantly underpayed by comparison IMO. "Market forces" etc.
alexpetralia 7y ago
Does this include stock-based compensation? If so, roughly how much is cash and how much is stock (vesting within the first year)?
- throwaway082729 7y ago
  $230k can including bonus and $225k in RSU with can guarantee
  - alexpetralia 7y ago
    Interesting! Is that for example: * 150k cash base * 80k cash bonus (between sign-on & EOY performance) * 225k vests in the first year? 900k over 4 years? * What's an RSU guarantee? Does it convert to cash if some price is not met by the time it vests? I couldn't find anything on Google about this, but I am probably looking in the wrong place
sonofaplum 7y ago
Do you have direct experience or knowledge of this? Cause this doesn't square with my anecdotal knowledge or my sense of the bay area labor market. For instance levels.fyi quotes total comp for mid level engineers in the 250 range, which tails much closer to Google, Facebook, etc.
- throwaway082729 7y ago
  Yes I do. I know someone that got this offer and recently joined. I helped them negotiate and pick offers. This was a staff engineer but the person had only 6 years of experience.
  - aardvarklegend 7y ago
    Staff (l7) is no where near middle engineer. L6 is senior, l5 is engineer and l4 is entry level. L6 is also split into two bands 6a and 6b. As a 6a my total comp is around 240 and on par with my coworkers. The l5s were closer to 200. L5 is a middle engineering level.
    - kerng 7y ago
      L6 is staff at Uber. They have this weird 5a/5b thing. Meaning Amzn/goog/fb L7 = Uber L6. Msft would probably 65/66 map to Uber L6.

porker 7y ago

Sources: Tech recruiters in London Contacts at a bank Twitter exchanges with other developers in the capital (including ex-AWS staff) GDS ex-staff

mattlondon 7y ago
Sounds like they are getting low-balled. I'd shop around as $100k total comp seems fairly low (although it buys more at the moment considering the GBP is so low right now) for anyone with more than 5-8 years experience.