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Your argument doesn't make sense: the country historically took time off....workers can no longer afford to go away. What changed?

by leg100 7y ago

dewey 7y ago
Maybe more people in jobs where you can easily take a week off without it effecting much. Farmers probably can’t be away for a week during the summer.
stephen_g 7y ago
The population might have grown faster than the amount of holiday accomodation supply did, coupled, I would guess, with there being much more demand from international visitors just generally. Perhaps there is also higher income inequality between workers? I’m not sure about Italy specifically, but generally there has always been inequality, but it has usually between the upper class that didn’t have to work and the lower class that did. I would guess the upper class would holiday whenever they wanted? I would assume that now there’s a large group of middle class workers given time off at the same time, and they would be a lot more cashed up and in direct competition for accomodation and travel fares with the lower class workers. So plenty of reasons that could be the case. I imagine the huge growth in international tourism meaning huge numbers of visitors would be the biggest contributor.
danmaz74 7y ago
The cost of holidays in Italy has gone up a lot in comparison to real wages in the last decades (also because the expectations for a holiday are on average much higher now).
eisa01 7y ago
Probably the influx of foreign tourists, pricing out the domestic tourists? Checking Eurostat for nights spent at tourist accomodation 2007: 213 mn domestic 163 mn foreign 2018: 212 mn domestic 217 mn foreign https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/cbe7ecda-93c7-4698-8af7-d2ddf8b3ea9c?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/cbe7ecda-... edit: Eurostat is great! Hotel occupancy is also up, indicating that prices should also have gone up. This is even in an environment with the rise of AirBnBs https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/9f9a92e0-9617-4484-b60f-e290f7468940?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/9f9a92e0-...

Your argument doesn't make sense: the country historically took time off....workers can no longer afford to go away. What changed?

by leg100 7y ago

Your argument doesn't make sense: the country historically took time off....workers can no longer afford to go away. What changed?

dewey 7y ago

Maybe more people in jobs where you can easily take a week off without it effecting much. Farmers probably can’t be away for a week during the summer.

stephen_g 7y ago

The population might have grown faster than the amount of holiday accomodation supply did, coupled, I would guess, with there being much more demand from international visitors just generally. Perhaps there is also higher income inequality between workers? I’m not sure about Italy specifically, but generally there has always been inequality, but it has usually between the upper class that didn’t have to work and the lower class that did. I would guess the upper class would holiday whenever they wanted? I would assume that now there’s a large group of middle class workers given time off at the same time, and they would be a lot more cashed up and in direct competition for accomodation and travel fares with the lower class workers. So plenty of reasons that could be the case. I imagine the huge growth in international tourism meaning huge numbers of visitors would be the biggest contributor.

danmaz74 7y ago

The cost of holidays in Italy has gone up a lot in comparison to real wages in the last decades (also because the expectations for a holiday are on average much higher now).

eisa01 7y ago

Probably the influx of foreign tourists, pricing out the domestic tourists? Checking Eurostat for nights spent at tourist accomodation 2007: 213 mn domestic 163 mn foreign 2018: 212 mn domestic 217 mn foreign https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/cbe7ecda-93c7-4698-8af7-d2ddf8b3ea9c?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/cbe7ecda-... edit: Eurostat is great! Hotel occupancy is also up, indicating that prices should also have gone up. This is even in an environment with the rise of AirBnBs https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/9f9a92e0-9617-4484-b60f-e290f7468940?lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/bookmark/9f9a92e0-...