> Much better off without fuel for local and global shipping and power generation and raw material for plastics? No. That's an absurd characterization of my po

> Much better off without fuel for local and global shipping and power generation and raw material for plastics? No. That's an absurd characterization of my position. I do believe we're much better off when the market, absent direct and indirect subsidies, finds the most efficient solution. That _may_ mean less shipping, more efficient power generation (trading CapEx for OpEx), and more efficient use of plastics.