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“ultimately measured in a mounting number of victims — men, women and children who are the victims of crimes, crimes that could have been prevented if law enfor

by Zhenya 7y ago

“ultimately measured in a mounting number of victims — men, women and children who are the victims of crimes, crimes that could have been prevented if law enforcement had been given lawful access to encrypted evidence," I don't understand this. How would getting into his phone post facto stop the shooting? Do they have a time machine?

jlgaddis 7y ago
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up. You're not supposed to think critically or ask any questions. Just quietly go about your life, be an obedient citizen, don't make any ruckus, and, of course, trust the government -- they know what's best for you and me and have nothing but our best interests in mind! Unfortunately, they won't be able to stop all of the pedophile terrorists from getting to us if they don't have access to everything. They're "going dark", remember!? Why don't you want to give them this access anyways? Just what is it that YOU are hiding? What don't you want them to see? --- > ... crimes that could have been prevented if law enforcement had been given lawful access to encrypted evidence. That's an earlier quote from Barr (prior to these shootings). The implication is that if they had access to all of the encrypted communications in real-time (iMessages, WhatsApp, etc.) that law enforcement maybe could have prevented these deaths from happening (nevermind their "track record" for preventing these types of incidents or the fact that most of these shootings are conducted by a single person)... ...but if they aren't able to read all of our messages then of course they can't do anything and so people will continue to die.
onion2k 7y ago
Maybe they believe that he was communicating with other people who are planning similar attacks, and they believe they could stop those attacks before they happen if they had access to the Dayton guy's phone.
Zhenya 7y ago
Just a fun sidenote. I've been watching the count of up/down votes. Folks are actually downvoting my comment; please carry on. But why I'm the hell do you want the government to be able to have unwarranted access to your devices? Previously any letter you sent was not copied,read and stored in a searchable format by the FBI/via/nsa. Maybe if you were targeted but not wholesale dragnet. Now it is and even more accessibility is being asked. This is a kgb dream machine.

by Zhenya 7y ago

jlgaddis 7y ago

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold up. You're not supposed to think critically or ask any questions. Just quietly go about your life, be an obedient citizen, don't make any ruckus, and, of course, trust the government -- they know what's best for you and me and have nothing but our best interests in mind! Unfortunately, they won't be able to stop all of the pedophile terrorists from getting to us if they don't have access to everything. They're "going dark", remember!? Why don't you want to give them this access anyways? Just what is it that YOU are hiding? What don't you want them to see? --- > ... crimes that could have been prevented if law enforcement had been given lawful access to encrypted evidence. That's an earlier quote from Barr (prior to these shootings). The implication is that if they had access to all of the encrypted communications in real-time (iMessages, WhatsApp, etc.) that law enforcement maybe could have prevented these deaths from happening (nevermind their "track record" for preventing these types of incidents or the fact that most of these shootings are conducted by a single person)... ...but if they aren't able to read all of our messages then of course they can't do anything and so people will continue to die.

onion2k 7y ago

Maybe they believe that he was communicating with other people who are planning similar attacks, and they believe they could stop those attacks before they happen if they had access to the Dayton guy's phone.

Zhenya 7y ago

Just a fun sidenote. I've been watching the count of up/down votes. Folks are actually downvoting my comment; please carry on. But why I'm the hell do you want the government to be able to have unwarranted access to your devices? Previously any letter you sent was not copied,read and stored in a searchable format by the FBI/via/nsa. Maybe if you were targeted but not wholesale dragnet. Now it is and even more accessibility is being asked. This is a kgb dream machine.