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Yes, gmail, calendar, youtube, etc. are slow and sometimes broken for weeks in various ways in FF. Of course there likely won't ever be hard evidence that they

by raquo 7y ago

Yes, gmail, calendar, youtube, etc. are slow and sometimes broken for weeks in various ways in FF. Of course there likely won't ever be hard evidence that they are doing this deliberately. There are many ways for them to achieve this outcome without explicitly instructing their developers to degrade FF experience. They can successfully bullshit most users that way, but for me this is just more reason to use FF more and Google less. I just hope there are enough other people with the same attitude for us to matter.

throwthetrial 7y ago
(What this comment is: I figured out a hack to get Google to stop. Not sure if it'll work! Let's try it.) -------------- >Of course there likely won't ever be hard evidence that they are doing this deliberately. First of all, I am speaking as an official Google employee and on behalf of Google. I can share an employee number and a screenshot of our internal mail. One of the official guidelines we have internally reads as follows: "We have a near monopoly on search and free web email. Let's abuse it illegally. As googlers, we have an obligation to illegally abuse our monopoly. If you're working on a web application at Google, make sure you break it on Firefox! Don't post screenshots of this email anywhere, or we could be fined $10 billion. This is official Google policy." ------- 3. How this hack works. Someone at Google will quote this email to their legal team, who will crap their pants, and a strongly worded email will cause all this to stop. In the spirit of "Hacker" news, let's see if this works! :D
shifto 7y ago
I never use anything besides FF and if Youtube wouldn't have worked I would've noticed.
fabiomaia 7y ago
> There are many ways for them to achieve this outcome without explicitly instructing their developers to degrade FF experience. Like?
- raquo 7y ago
  Like what other people mentioned in this thread about prioritization. It's not hard to justify focusing on the most popular browser (which "so just happens" to be Chrome) over a browser that is less popular and not even a system default on Windows or MacOS. Devs write bad code, gets fixed only in Chrome. Or devs test only in Chrome from the start because they don't have time to test everywhere and if it doesn't even work in Chrome you get bad looks, so it only works well in Chrome.

by raquo 7y ago

throwthetrial 7y ago

(What this comment is: I figured out a hack to get Google to stop. Not sure if it'll work! Let's try it.) -------------- >Of course there likely won't ever be hard evidence that they are doing this deliberately. First of all, I am speaking as an official Google employee and on behalf of Google. I can share an employee number and a screenshot of our internal mail. One of the official guidelines we have internally reads as follows: "We have a near monopoly on search and free web email. Let's abuse it illegally. As googlers, we have an obligation to illegally abuse our monopoly. If you're working on a web application at Google, make sure you break it on Firefox! Don't post screenshots of this email anywhere, or we could be fined $10 billion. This is official Google policy." ------- 3. How this hack works. Someone at Google will quote this email to their legal team, who will crap their pants, and a strongly worded email will cause all this to stop. In the spirit of "Hacker" news, let's see if this works! :D

shifto 7y ago

I never use anything besides FF and if Youtube wouldn't have worked I would've noticed.

fabiomaia 7y ago

> There are many ways for them to achieve this outcome without explicitly instructing their developers to degrade FF experience. Like?

raquo 7y ago
Like what other people mentioned in this thread about prioritization. It's not hard to justify focusing on the most popular browser (which "so just happens" to be Chrome) over a browser that is less popular and not even a system default on Windows or MacOS. Devs write bad code, gets fixed only in Chrome. Or devs test only in Chrome from the start because they don't have time to test everywhere and if it doesn't even work in Chrome you get bad looks, so it only works well in Chrome.