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Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. I also find the "smaller than Linux" claims rather strange. A

by hajile 7y ago

Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. I also find the "smaller than Linux" claims rather strange. ANY microkernel will be smaller. Once you add those things back (at an almost insignificantly higher abstraction), I'm betting things get to be around the same size or slightly larger. I can't speak for other people, but I rather like not having to do the old driver search routine I did on Windows for every little thing.

jeroenhd 7y ago
> Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. Yes, and that rotten thing is the app ecosystem. Without apps, nobody will use your smartphone. From what I've seen, HarmonyOS tries to be compatible with Android, but knowing the difficulty Microsoft and Blackberry had with getting the Android API to work a few years ago (before the many complications that have been layered on top since), I don't expect much from it. I think a switch of mobile OS will go down about as well as Windows Phone. Only if they port most important apps and games (phone gaming is big in China), their custom OS just won't get the popularity to get its own full app ecosystem.
- HillaryBriss 7y ago
  > Without apps, nobody will use your smartphone even for Huawei, there will be some 3rd party apps. and most people spend almost all of their time on a small set of apps anyway. as long as the critically important apps (there are probably only a couple hundred) to most users are available AND Huawei offers some other benefits (e.g. relativeily low price for good HW), maybe an app store with millions of apps is not critical to success any more?
  - monsieurbanana 7y ago
    A couple of hundred critical apps is a huge understimation in my opinion. What is different now than when Windows Phone flopped? They had tens of thousands of phone apps (although I can't find an exact number), and it clearly wasn't enough.
    - HillaryBriss 7y ago
      I just feel like a lot of the novelty has worn off, and the user base has more or less figured out what they want to use a mobile device for by now. People spend most of their time on the very small number of big name social media apps, some games, and email, camera and texting apps. ok, so maybe it's more like 1000 apps. IDK. but, if those are all present at the launch of the Huawei store, then a lot of users will say "good enough for me." Huawei could do the market research, figure out what those apps are, and then incentivize those app devs to port to Huawei.
- ksec 7y ago
  >Only if they port most important apps and games (phone gaming is big in China) And I am pretty sure ALL Apps and Games in China will be ported to HarmonyOS.
  - jeroenhd 7y ago
    Why? Huawei is the only brand that has been banned from Android in such a way. There's still plenty of Chinese brands available. Huawei makes up about a third of the Chinese smart phone market according to counterpoint.com[1]. If Huawei were to drop Android, that would be a huge win for Vivo, Oppo and Xiaomi, not necessarily a huge loss for Android. [1]: https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/
    - sixothree 7y ago
      Short of a mandate from the government....
      - justicezyx 7y ago
        What's the source to claim gov will force adoption on behalf of huawei? Edit: Fro my perspective as a Chinese living in bay area. So far Huawei largely benefited more than being harmed. For one thing, it firmly established itself as the beacon of Chinese tech superiority over other domestic competitor, and gains unmeasurable good will from the Chinese people. This obvious helps propell their possible dominance of the smartphone market, and helps with their Cloud business as well. This is also why BAT and other tech companies are largely indifference to Huawei's situation. On the one hand, it's sensitive. On the other hand, they are in situation where might be forced to play cooperatively to Huawei's own benefits.
- xster 7y ago
  I think we only have a partial historical experiment. I don't know what the server market share would be today if Windows Server 2000 had Windows Subsystem for Linux. context: it sounds like there's a modular Linux kernel in it too to support running existing Android/Linux apps.
justicezyx 7y ago
> Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. Developer Developer Developer ... Aka. ecosystem ...

by hajile 7y ago

jeroenhd 7y ago

> Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. Yes, and that rotten thing is the app ecosystem. Without apps, nobody will use your smartphone. From what I've seen, HarmonyOS tries to be compatible with Android, but knowing the difficulty Microsoft and Blackberry had with getting the Android API to work a few years ago (before the many complications that have been layered on top since), I don't expect much from it. I think a switch of mobile OS will go down about as well as Windows Phone. Only if they port most important apps and games (phone gaming is big in China), their custom OS just won't get the popularity to get its own full app ecosystem.

HillaryBriss 7y ago
> Without apps, nobody will use your smartphone even for Huawei, there will be some 3rd party apps. and most people spend almost all of their time on a small set of apps anyway. as long as the critically important apps (there are probably only a couple hundred) to most users are available AND Huawei offers some other benefits (e.g. relativeily low price for good HW), maybe an app store with millions of apps is not critical to success any more?
- monsieurbanana 7y ago
  A couple of hundred critical apps is a huge understimation in my opinion. What is different now than when Windows Phone flopped? They had tens of thousands of phone apps (although I can't find an exact number), and it clearly wasn't enough.
  - HillaryBriss 7y ago
    I just feel like a lot of the novelty has worn off, and the user base has more or less figured out what they want to use a mobile device for by now. People spend most of their time on the very small number of big name social media apps, some games, and email, camera and texting apps. ok, so maybe it's more like 1000 apps. IDK. but, if those are all present at the launch of the Huawei store, then a lot of users will say "good enough for me." Huawei could do the market research, figure out what those apps are, and then incentivize those app devs to port to Huawei.
ksec 7y ago
>Only if they port most important apps and games (phone gaming is big in China) And I am pretty sure ALL Apps and Games in China will be ported to HarmonyOS.
- jeroenhd 7y ago
  Why? Huawei is the only brand that has been banned from Android in such a way. There's still plenty of Chinese brands available. Huawei makes up about a third of the Chinese smart phone market according to counterpoint.com[1]. If Huawei were to drop Android, that would be a huge win for Vivo, Oppo and Xiaomi, not necessarily a huge loss for Android. [1]: https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/china-smartphone-share/
  - sixothree 7y ago
    Short of a mandate from the government....
    - justicezyx 7y ago
      What's the source to claim gov will force adoption on behalf of huawei? Edit: Fro my perspective as a Chinese living in bay area. So far Huawei largely benefited more than being harmed. For one thing, it firmly established itself as the beacon of Chinese tech superiority over other domestic competitor, and gains unmeasurable good will from the Chinese people. This obvious helps propell their possible dominance of the smartphone market, and helps with their Cloud business as well. This is also why BAT and other tech companies are largely indifference to Huawei's situation. On the one hand, it's sensitive. On the other hand, they are in situation where might be forced to play cooperatively to Huawei's own benefits.
xster 7y ago
I think we only have a partial historical experiment. I don't know what the server market share would be today if Windows Server 2000 had Windows Subsystem for Linux. context: it sounds like there's a modular Linux kernel in it too to support running existing Android/Linux apps.

justicezyx 7y ago

> Faster, smaller, and more secure, yet the say it's the backup plan. Something's rotten somewhere. Developer Developer Developer ... Aka. ecosystem ...