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To be fair, it's easy to be civil when you're not one of the diabetic people dying due to having to ration insulin because pharma corps value profiteering at th

To be fair, it's easy to be civil when you're not one of the diabetic people dying due to having to ration insulin because pharma corps value profiteering at the direct cost of human lives.

xen2xen1 7y ago
In the hospital discussing hospice with my father and the extreme price of "good insulin", two thing that are not unrelated. I would throw stones but I'm currently unable, and I have much more sympathy for your problem than normal.
rayiner 7y ago
Those drugs wouldn’t exist without those pharma corps, just like iPhones wouldn’t exist without Apple. More people would die in that scenario.
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  Those pharma corps wouldn't exist without the government helping to prop them up or the actual researchers doing their job. To me, this isn't an argument but an excuse for greed. If a company invents a cure for a disease that could save 1000 people but they charge enough that only 10 people can use it, is it really fair to say this is OK because 'well at least less people are dying'? And the excuse of drugs being expensive to manufacture doesn't even exist in this case. Insulin isn't expensive and other nations don't pay nearly as much as Americans. So more Americans are dying solely to line the pockets of executives and CEOs. It's frankly amazing how far we'll go to excuse rampant greed while people with insulin are dying as a result of the greed. To value profits over lives is disgusting.
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  Insulin was discovered and purification methods developed at a public university 100 years ago. https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-diabetes-how-insulin-1991637 https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-diabetes-how-insulin-19... https://prospect.org/article/insulin-racket https://prospect.org/article/insulin-racket It seems there are information technology products which are produced outside the corporate-proprietary sphere as well.

To be fair, it's easy to be civil when you're not one of the diabetic people dying due to having to ration insulin because pharma corps value profiteering at the direct cost of human lives.

xen2xen1 7y ago

In the hospital discussing hospice with my father and the extreme price of "good insulin", two thing that are not unrelated. I would throw stones but I'm currently unable, and I have much more sympathy for your problem than normal.

rayiner 7y ago

Those drugs wouldn’t exist without those pharma corps, just like iPhones wouldn’t exist without Apple. More people would die in that scenario.

fzeroracer 7y ago
Those pharma corps wouldn't exist without the government helping to prop them up or the actual researchers doing their job. To me, this isn't an argument but an excuse for greed. If a company invents a cure for a disease that could save 1000 people but they charge enough that only 10 people can use it, is it really fair to say this is OK because 'well at least less people are dying'? And the excuse of drugs being expensive to manufacture doesn't even exist in this case. Insulin isn't expensive and other nations don't pay nearly as much as Americans. So more Americans are dying solely to line the pockets of executives and CEOs. It's frankly amazing how far we'll go to excuse rampant greed while people with insulin are dying as a result of the greed. To value profits over lives is disgusting.
dredmorbius 7y ago
Insulin was discovered and purification methods developed at a public university 100 years ago. https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-diabetes-how-insulin-1991637 https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-diabetes-how-insulin-19... https://prospect.org/article/insulin-racket https://prospect.org/article/insulin-racket It seems there are information technology products which are produced outside the corporate-proprietary sphere as well.