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> life without fossil fuel is a life most of us don't want to live. This is downright silly. Sure I have a cellphone, car but I don't live for those things. I

> life without fossil fuel is a life most of us don't want to live. This is downright silly. Sure I have a cellphone, car but I don't live for those things. I live for the people around me, and they are not made of fossil fuel.

ThomPete 7y ago
You don't just have a cellphone. You have ambulances, you have food, you have medicine, you have heat, you have buildings, you have more or less 80% of your surroundings based on fossil fuels. In other words, there would be much less people around you to live for if it wasn't for fossil fuels. It's silly to claim you can live without which is why we don't and aren't even close to doing that in the rich countries.
- WorldMaker 7y ago
  We've had the technology to do all of that without fossil fuels for decades. We are close to doing it in rich countries today, despite both active opposition and the usual passivity of the status quo. Renewable energy sources are now cheaper than non-renewables, across the board, regardless of subsidies in either direction. England for the first time since the Industrial Revolution generated more power with renewable sources than fossil fuels this year. Norway, an oil exporter, is on a path to be entirely fossil fuel free soon inside the country's borders. Germany and even the US have also had periods where large amounts of the country's energy grids were entirely renewable. It's silly to claim we are entirely reliant on fossil fuels for all our modern conveniences, when everything but cars/trucks/shipping is mostly energy source independent and the grid is overall greener than it has ever been in decades, and getting greener. (And we certainly have the technology to solve cars/trucks/shipping today, too.)
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    You can call it silly all you want it doesn't change the facts. We aren't close to doing anything even in rich countries. Wind and solar is less than 1% of world energy. And even in countries that are rich the cost is pushed onto the consumers just ask Germany. https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR3eH1AFcRSPSEit8JINLCMvE_UmZAsNNdxRRpIepIGqCz_rILNEHHwLtNw https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR3eH1AFcRSPSEit8JINLCMvE_...

ThomPete 7y ago

You don't just have a cellphone. You have ambulances, you have food, you have medicine, you have heat, you have buildings, you have more or less 80% of your surroundings based on fossil fuels. In other words, there would be much less people around you to live for if it wasn't for fossil fuels. It's silly to claim you can live without which is why we don't and aren't even close to doing that in the rich countries.

WorldMaker 7y ago
We've had the technology to do all of that without fossil fuels for decades. We are close to doing it in rich countries today, despite both active opposition and the usual passivity of the status quo. Renewable energy sources are now cheaper than non-renewables, across the board, regardless of subsidies in either direction. England for the first time since the Industrial Revolution generated more power with renewable sources than fossil fuels this year. Norway, an oil exporter, is on a path to be entirely fossil fuel free soon inside the country's borders. Germany and even the US have also had periods where large amounts of the country's energy grids were entirely renewable. It's silly to claim we are entirely reliant on fossil fuels for all our modern conveniences, when everything but cars/trucks/shipping is mostly energy source independent and the grid is overall greener than it has ever been in decades, and getting greener. (And we certainly have the technology to solve cars/trucks/shipping today, too.)
- ThomPete 7y ago
  You can call it silly all you want it doesn't change the facts. We aren't close to doing anything even in rich countries. Wind and solar is less than 1% of world energy. And even in countries that are rich the cost is pushed onto the consumers just ask Germany. https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR3eH1AFcRSPSEit8JINLCMvE_UmZAsNNdxRRpIepIGqCz_rILNEHHwLtNw https://www.iea.org/weo/?fbclid=IwAR3eH1AFcRSPSEit8JINLCMvE_...