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>This immediately made me wonder if I have ever seen "without offering any actual proofs" added as a qualifier to any of the press statements of Apple, Microsof

by jaclaz 7y ago

>This immediately made me wonder if I have ever seen "without offering any actual proofs" added as a qualifier to any of the press statements of Apple, Microsoft or Google. I would go a little further, even the use of the verb "to claim" is in itself a little diminutive, had it been one of the big US companies their CEO's would have probably "said", "stated" or "announced" or "affirmed" (and not "claimed").

varjag 7y ago
How many US CEOs would have directly compared it to a specific competitor product on the announce?
- deleted 7y ago
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- EastToWest 7y ago
  At least one? https://www.cnet.com/news/wwdc-2018-apple-diss-android-facebook-instagram/ https://www.cnet.com/news/wwdc-2018-apple-diss-android-faceb... (Scroll down for a picture)
- jsgo 7y ago
  There were I'm fairly sure 3 Google I/Os in a row where they specifically spoke of iOS when talking about new features (probably more still, I haven't followed the livestreams anymore for them or for WWDC in like 2 years I guess). WWDC they'd do it as well (some during speeches, then the "whose devices are up to date" pie charts with like ~10% on the newest Android release of the time and >70% on the newest iOS release of the time). Microsoft did it during the Windows Phone days, but I think now they're trying to extend olive branches especially to Android, but I believe they've been nice about iOS as well.
- sniperjzp 7y ago
  Countless time Steve Jobs mocked M$ and Windows in their new products announcement.
cojxd 7y ago
When the CEO of Apple says something, it happens. Huawei have yet to prove themselves in this space.
- collyw 7y ago
  "Just Works" yeah right.
- MYEUHD 7y ago
  Cough... AirPower Cough...
- washadjeffmad 7y ago
  Do you not acknowledge that Huawei is a large, multinational company with large and well liked product lines competitive with popular US brands? Do you think that happened by mere chance, or is there another reason you inherently deny their success?
  - junipertea 7y ago
    In general making an OS from scratch wasn't very successful even with Samsung (#2 maker with considerable market share and a track record) completely failed with Tizen, so a relatively younger and smaller chinese company succeeding seems dubious. Of course I would be glad for a competing mobile OS, but I would wait for benchmarks and take security statements with a grain of salt. Also, it might be completely different departments at Huawei but there's the Cisco router firmware debacle (https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000)
    - oblio 7y ago
      > #2 maker with considerable market share and a track record You mean #1, right? :-) https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-05-01-11_44_19-Window.png https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-...
  - addicted 7y ago
RenRav 7y ago
Interesting point, it does seem oddly framed now.
Ajedi32 7y ago
I think it makes sense to use "claim" to describe statements as sweeping and general as that one. I think Apple claiming iOS is "more powerful and secure than Android" would be met with a similar level of skepticism.

by jaclaz 7y ago

varjag 7y ago

How many US CEOs would have directly compared it to a specific competitor product on the announce?

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EastToWest 7y ago
At least one? https://www.cnet.com/news/wwdc-2018-apple-diss-android-facebook-instagram/ https://www.cnet.com/news/wwdc-2018-apple-diss-android-faceb... (Scroll down for a picture)
jsgo 7y ago
There were I'm fairly sure 3 Google I/Os in a row where they specifically spoke of iOS when talking about new features (probably more still, I haven't followed the livestreams anymore for them or for WWDC in like 2 years I guess). WWDC they'd do it as well (some during speeches, then the "whose devices are up to date" pie charts with like ~10% on the newest Android release of the time and >70% on the newest iOS release of the time). Microsoft did it during the Windows Phone days, but I think now they're trying to extend olive branches especially to Android, but I believe they've been nice about iOS as well.
sniperjzp 7y ago
Countless time Steve Jobs mocked M$ and Windows in their new products announcement.

cojxd 7y ago

When the CEO of Apple says something, it happens. Huawei have yet to prove themselves in this space.

collyw 7y ago
"Just Works" yeah right.
MYEUHD 7y ago
Cough... AirPower Cough...
washadjeffmad 7y ago
Do you not acknowledge that Huawei is a large, multinational company with large and well liked product lines competitive with popular US brands? Do you think that happened by mere chance, or is there another reason you inherently deny their success?
- junipertea 7y ago
  In general making an OS from scratch wasn't very successful even with Samsung (#2 maker with considerable market share and a track record) completely failed with Tizen, so a relatively younger and smaller chinese company succeeding seems dubious. Of course I would be glad for a competing mobile OS, but I would wait for benchmarks and take security statements with a grain of salt. Also, it might be completely different departments at Huawei but there's the Cisco router firmware debacle (https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10485560675556000)
  - oblio 7y ago
    > #2 maker with considerable market share and a track record You mean #1, right? :-) https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-05-01-11_44_19-Window.png https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-...
- addicted 7y ago

RenRav 7y ago

Interesting point, it does seem oddly framed now.

Ajedi32 7y ago

I think it makes sense to use "claim" to describe statements as sweeping and general as that one. I think Apple claiming iOS is "more powerful and secure than Android" would be met with a similar level of skepticism.