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>adult don't need to drink any milk and many don't digest it well, by the way Never understood the obsession with drinking milk on its own (though I never like

by lol768 7y ago

>adult don't need to drink any milk and many don't digest it well, by the way Never understood the obsession with drinking milk on its own (though I never liked the taste of it myself either). There's plenty of calcium to be found in other sources: kale, leafy greens, almonds, fortrified grains, beans/pulses etc.

close04 7y ago
You're missing one solid reason to drink milk: some people like it. Most of the stuff we eat today is actually not about nutritional needs. And your argument can always be reshuffled. Swap milk with any one of the items you listed and one by one you can disqualify all of them from consumption. Variety is a good thing, meaning something should be eliminated because it's no good, not because there are alternatives. There's no requirement or recommendation to cover your daily needs with the least varied diet.
- markstos 7y ago
  Of people I know who have reduced animal consumption, drinking cow milk and having it on cereal is one of the first things to go. In the early days soy milk was about the only alternative. Now there are so many dairy-free milk alternatives to try. The proliferation of grocery shelves is a testament to their growing popularity.
harimau777 7y ago
This is a very niche reason, but one of the classic diets for beginner weight lifters who want to gain weight is to add a gallon of whole milk a day to their existing diet. For people that are trying to consume more calories and protein, I don't know of an alternative that combines comparable calorie & protein density, low cost, ease of consumption, and zero preparation time. More generally, I think that one of the big challenges with plant based diets is a lack of easily available calorie and protein dense foods. (I'm not saying its impossible to get enough calories and protein as a vegan, even as a bodybuilder. Just that it is not nearly as easy.)
- growlist 7y ago
  I got a free sample of pea protein powder with some whey one time. It was truly disgusting!
  - ppseafield 7y ago
    Unflavored pea protein is pretty bad, but there are a ton of delicious vegan protein powder options out there.
- gwm83 7y ago
  I haven't heard of this and I know a good number of weight trainers. Doesn't this give people massive squirts? Can anyone digest a whole gallon of milk in a day? Gross
- wreath 7y ago
  I think you are referring to Mark Rippetoe’s suggested diet in his book Starting Strength. In which case, it is worth mentioning that this is suggested for skinny, 18 year old males and to be followed for the duration of the training program (months)
- markstos 7y ago
  Even weight lifting is changing, with one of the top weight lifters being vegan: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/patrik-baboumian-vegan-strongman/ https://www.greatveganathletes.com/patrik-baboumian-vegan-st... Dairy in particular can be source of inflammation. One of the benefits of the vegan diets for athletes cited is a fast recovery time after workouts.
  - departure 7y ago
    > with one of the top weight lifters being vegan That's not exactly true, he's just some buff guy that is strong. He doesn't even look big compared to bodybuilders, regular protein eaters at the gym are his same size. His 'record' deadlift was 360kg, worlds strongest men all pulled 420kg+ this year. Arnold was in that class back in the 70's. EDIT: After some research people are saying his european world records were all accomplished before he became vegan in 2011.
academic_nimrod 7y ago
People aren't obsessed with it, it's just good. You ever had a cold glass of whole milk with a slice of chocolate cake? It's good for your soul.
- lol768 7y ago
  I have, I wasn't much of a fan :P (Cow) milk just seems to have an unpleasant aftertaste to me. I get on well with oat milk, though.
growlist 7y ago
One of the strangest things to me about lunch in the Netherlands: adult men drinking milk with their meal, this meal sometimes consisting of a chocolate hundreds and thousands sandwich O_o
- radicalbyte 7y ago
  At least that's better than drinking buttermilk and a cheese sandwich :)
- mrep 7y ago
  That is hilarious because I love to drink milk with sweet pastries and my girlfriend also thinks drinking straight milk is disgusting. It's hard to explain why, but I think the main reason is that I am not super into sweets and milk seems to counteract the sweetness. I also get heartburn frequently and milk tends to help my stomach not feel terrible like it would if I ate a sweet pastry by itself.
dmux 7y ago
>Never understood the obsession with drinking milk on its own It's something that's been consumed for millennia. There are societies based on pastoralism where milk is a huge part of the diet. I'd hardly classify it as being an obsession.
- lol768 7y ago
  >It's something that's been consumed for millennia. There are societies based on pastoralism where milk is a huge part of the diet. I'd hardly classify it as being an obsession. Obsession is probably the wrong word, but I'd still be curious as to the history behind it (and how long it continued into adulthood). Especially given its association with and place in a juvenile diet.

by lol768 7y ago

close04 7y ago

You're missing one solid reason to drink milk: some people like it. Most of the stuff we eat today is actually not about nutritional needs. And your argument can always be reshuffled. Swap milk with any one of the items you listed and one by one you can disqualify all of them from consumption. Variety is a good thing, meaning something should be eliminated because it's no good, not because there are alternatives. There's no requirement or recommendation to cover your daily needs with the least varied diet.

markstos 7y ago
Of people I know who have reduced animal consumption, drinking cow milk and having it on cereal is one of the first things to go. In the early days soy milk was about the only alternative. Now there are so many dairy-free milk alternatives to try. The proliferation of grocery shelves is a testament to their growing popularity.

harimau777 7y ago

This is a very niche reason, but one of the classic diets for beginner weight lifters who want to gain weight is to add a gallon of whole milk a day to their existing diet. For people that are trying to consume more calories and protein, I don't know of an alternative that combines comparable calorie & protein density, low cost, ease of consumption, and zero preparation time. More generally, I think that one of the big challenges with plant based diets is a lack of easily available calorie and protein dense foods. (I'm not saying its impossible to get enough calories and protein as a vegan, even as a bodybuilder. Just that it is not nearly as easy.)

growlist 7y ago
I got a free sample of pea protein powder with some whey one time. It was truly disgusting!
- ppseafield 7y ago
  Unflavored pea protein is pretty bad, but there are a ton of delicious vegan protein powder options out there.
gwm83 7y ago
I haven't heard of this and I know a good number of weight trainers. Doesn't this give people massive squirts? Can anyone digest a whole gallon of milk in a day? Gross
wreath 7y ago
I think you are referring to Mark Rippetoe’s suggested diet in his book Starting Strength. In which case, it is worth mentioning that this is suggested for skinny, 18 year old males and to be followed for the duration of the training program (months)
markstos 7y ago
Even weight lifting is changing, with one of the top weight lifters being vegan: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/patrik-baboumian-vegan-strongman/ https://www.greatveganathletes.com/patrik-baboumian-vegan-st... Dairy in particular can be source of inflammation. One of the benefits of the vegan diets for athletes cited is a fast recovery time after workouts.
- departure 7y ago
  > with one of the top weight lifters being vegan That's not exactly true, he's just some buff guy that is strong. He doesn't even look big compared to bodybuilders, regular protein eaters at the gym are his same size. His 'record' deadlift was 360kg, worlds strongest men all pulled 420kg+ this year. Arnold was in that class back in the 70's. EDIT: After some research people are saying his european world records were all accomplished before he became vegan in 2011.

academic_nimrod 7y ago

People aren't obsessed with it, it's just good. You ever had a cold glass of whole milk with a slice of chocolate cake? It's good for your soul.

lol768 7y ago
I have, I wasn't much of a fan :P (Cow) milk just seems to have an unpleasant aftertaste to me. I get on well with oat milk, though.

growlist 7y ago

One of the strangest things to me about lunch in the Netherlands: adult men drinking milk with their meal, this meal sometimes consisting of a chocolate hundreds and thousands sandwich O_o

radicalbyte 7y ago
At least that's better than drinking buttermilk and a cheese sandwich :)
mrep 7y ago
That is hilarious because I love to drink milk with sweet pastries and my girlfriend also thinks drinking straight milk is disgusting. It's hard to explain why, but I think the main reason is that I am not super into sweets and milk seems to counteract the sweetness. I also get heartburn frequently and milk tends to help my stomach not feel terrible like it would if I ate a sweet pastry by itself.

dmux 7y ago

>Never understood the obsession with drinking milk on its own It's something that's been consumed for millennia. There are societies based on pastoralism where milk is a huge part of the diet. I'd hardly classify it as being an obsession.

lol768 7y ago
>It's something that's been consumed for millennia. There are societies based on pastoralism where milk is a huge part of the diet. I'd hardly classify it as being an obsession. Obsession is probably the wrong word, but I'd still be curious as to the history behind it (and how long it continued into adulthood). Especially given its association with and place in a juvenile diet.