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What gives you the right to control what people eat?
by CommieDetector 7y ago
What gives you the right to control what people eat?
- Nyandalized 7y agoI believe the government already has the right and power to control what people eat. People form the government, and people (ideally) choose the people to hold that power. In part I, too have the right to control what people eat through voting.
- jfnixon 7y agoGreat, that means we can vote to require meat at every meal. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad, we have the right to control what you eat.
- saagarjha 7y agoYou cannot force people to eat something.
- CommieDetector 7y agoThen you can not force people _not_ to eat something.
- gbear605 7y agoThere’s an established precedent in (American) law that it’s generally okay to forbid an action but it’s not okay to mandate an action. For example, you can stop people from driving without a license, but you can’t make everyone get a license.
- magduf 7y agoI hate to point it out, but ObamaCare is an example of the reverse: you're mandated to purchase health insurance, or else pay a hefty penalty fee.
- gbear605 7y agoYeah, and that’s part of why it was so controversial. On top of that, op seemed to be suggesting making it illegal - as in go to jail - not having a penalty, which is substantially different.
- matz1 7y agoYes, its going to be not easy but at very least if you are meat eater, you should fight for the law to ban meat to ever become reality.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoWhich dystopia do you live in then a Marxist approach isn't going to work.
- academic_nimrod 7y agoThe UN has no such authority, nor did I form it or consent to be ruled by it.
- mattacular 7y agoMother nature.
- mklarmann 7y agoThe same people who currently hold the right to destroy this planet and make it uninhabitable for all future generations.
- dkersten 7y agoIf it damages the world or society, then why not? Would you say that I have the right to eat pets? Humans? Animals (or plants) that are on the brink of extinction? There are plenty of valid reasons to restrict what people are allowed to eat.
- chrisco255 7y agoBy pets what do you mean? Is it ethical for me to have a cat, when cats are obligate carnivores that not only have to eat meat but also independently kill billions of birds a year? Is it not okay for me to eat a chicken but it's perfectly ok to own a python or boa and feed it live mice? Cows are not killing the planet. They are one of the few things you can raise that doesn't require pesticides or chemical fertilizers. They and other ruminants are important parts of grassland ecosystems. The megafauna that existed on planet Earth just 200, 500, and 12,000 years ago were far more numerous than the number of livestock cows today. This reductionist mindset about the environment that doesn't even attempt to quantify trade offs or factor for the important role livestock plays in crop production is beyond tiresome. We also happen to need meat for healthy brain function. We need lots of Omega-3 fatty acids the kind that animal foods only provide and plants are not as healthy as they're made out to be. They have tons of oxalates, phytic acids, and inflammatory agents that harm human health in large doses. Not to mention the absurd amount of carbs we already consume from plant based foods.
- dkersten 7y ago> This reductionist mindset about the environment that doesn't even attempt to quantify trade offs or factor for the important role livestock plays in crop production is beyond tiresome. I'm not the one who wrote the UN report on climate change that recommends reducing meat consumption. Maybe take it up with the UN instead. > Not to mention the absurd amount of carbs we already consume from plant based foods. Speak for yourself. I eat a plant-heavy low-carb diet (I do eat fish, eggs and meat too). But... you're not replying to what I was saying and that is that there are perfectly valid reasons to restrict what people are allowed to eat. I didn't say anything about not eating cows or whatever, you took my comment out of context, which was simply "There are plenty of valid reasons to restrict what people are allowed to eat." The first paragraph was simply giving examples of reasons that various people might have to do so.
- hannob 7y agoWe already do that. You can't legally eat the meat of other humans in most (all? not sure) countries. You're not allowed to buy the meat of certain animals in certain countries, due to cultural norms (dogs) or due to protection of certain species. It's an absolutely normal thing that laws regulate or forbid things that have negative effects on society.
- academic_nimrod 7y agoOutlawing meat and depriving us life's finest pleasures (eating delicious, succulent meat) would have catastrophic effects on society. It would wreck havoc on low income people, obliterate all the great meat heavy cuisine of the many immigrants across the USA and Europe, and turn us into weak, dispirited, sanctimonious saps.
- pranau 7y ago> turn us into weak, dispirited, sanctimonious saps. Citation needed
- id10t-detector 7y agoUndisputed:Red meat increases testosterone. Disputed:Phytoestrogens(soy) increases estrogen levels.
- perfunctory 7y agoDo you mean we should ban McDonald's ads and food marketing in general? Because that sounds like a great idea. Which makes me think. I wonder how much meat would people eat naturally, if they were note exposed to an image of a BigMac on every corner.
- matz1 7y agoLike with everything else, power and influence. If the meat eater somehow let the vegan to win then well they get to control what people eat.