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"The Hong Kong riots? Turns out the CIA is involved." I would be very interested in seeing any credible evidence that 'the CIA is involved' in the current Hong

"The Hong Kong riots? Turns out the CIA is involved." I would be very interested in seeing any credible evidence that 'the CIA is involved' in the current Hong Kong protests. And I don't mean HKHermit scratching his stomach, or the hilarious training manual for non-verbal battle communications...

saiya-jin 7y ago
Well, generally speaking, this is exactly the ballpark CIA feels very much at home at and has tons of experience doing exactly this, for last 70+ years. On the other hand, Chinese involvement would also make sense, but things are too obviously pointing to their direction for my subjective taste. Maybe its both - US escalating situation just because that's what 3-letter agencies do, China obviously deeply involved since its a crucial place for them and literally their territory, which is rebelling and questioning Chinese supremacy. At the end, these are all just constant games for these folks.
- vmlinuz 7y ago
  I know you didn't make the original comment, but I'm going to put this one down as "stated as fact, no actual evidence"...
  - yorwba 7y ago
    In the Chinese media I've read about this, the CIA usually isn't accused directly. Rather, they cite a Washington Post article [1] where Allen Weinstein, co-founder of the National Endowment for Democracy, says "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." Then they argue that the NED's funding of various political groups in Hong Kong [2] is essentially a CIA operation. Personally, I think that's a lazy argument trying to link the CIA (known bad) to the NED (therefore also bad). On the other hand, it does mean that US government organizations are picking favorites to provide with funding in order to influence the politics of foreign countries. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/22/innocence-abroad-the-new-world-of-spyless-coups/92bb989a-de6e-4bb8-99b9-462c76b59a16/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/22/i... [2] https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2018/ https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2018/

saiya-jin 7y ago

Well, generally speaking, this is exactly the ballpark CIA feels very much at home at and has tons of experience doing exactly this, for last 70+ years. On the other hand, Chinese involvement would also make sense, but things are too obviously pointing to their direction for my subjective taste. Maybe its both - US escalating situation just because that's what 3-letter agencies do, China obviously deeply involved since its a crucial place for them and literally their territory, which is rebelling and questioning Chinese supremacy. At the end, these are all just constant games for these folks.

vmlinuz 7y ago
I know you didn't make the original comment, but I'm going to put this one down as "stated as fact, no actual evidence"...
- yorwba 7y ago
  In the Chinese media I've read about this, the CIA usually isn't accused directly. Rather, they cite a Washington Post article [1] where Allen Weinstein, co-founder of the National Endowment for Democracy, says "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." Then they argue that the NED's funding of various political groups in Hong Kong [2] is essentially a CIA operation. Personally, I think that's a lazy argument trying to link the CIA (known bad) to the NED (therefore also bad). On the other hand, it does mean that US government organizations are picking favorites to provide with funding in order to influence the politics of foreign countries. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/22/innocence-abroad-the-new-world-of-spyless-coups/92bb989a-de6e-4bb8-99b9-462c76b59a16/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/22/i... [2] https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2018/ https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2018/