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>Using a bot to automatically delete content is not the same as an administrator making your submissions and comments invisible to everyone but you. This is ex

>Using a bot to automatically delete content is not the same as an administrator making your submissions and comments invisible to everyone but you. This is exactly what automod does.

Raphmedia 7y ago
One is a flag on the user's account, the other is adding a username to a bot's watch-list. They act the same but are not the same thing. That would be like saying that paying an employee to watch someone's account and manually delete every comments and submissions is a shadow ban. It is not. AutoModerator is an amazing piece of work but it is just that, a robot moderator. But that's not the point. The point is that "an unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator" cannot blanked ban you from the website (and that being a premium user won't protect you from such bans either).
- txcwpalpha 7y ago
  >the other is adding a username to a bot's watch-list Which is exactly the same as adding a flag to a user's account. This is some bizarre hair splitting going on here. >That would be like saying that paying an employee to watch someone's account and manually delete every comments and submissions is a shadow ban. It is not. AutoModerator is an amazing piece of work but it is just that, a robot moderator I don't know what you're trying to say here. What exactly, in your mind, is the difference between "a robot moderator", which is code that controls what is and isn't visible on a subreddit, and core reddit code, which is also just code that controls what is and isn't visible on reddit? >The point is that "an unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator" cannot blanked ban you from the website Reddit is infamous for having multiple poweruser mods that are moderators over many of the most popular subreddits, and many of these subreddits share banlists (even ones outside the 'powermod cabal'). A ban from any one of these 'unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator' will result in a shadowban from the majority of the website. I hear you and agree that yes, a 'premium subscription' does not mean you're immune from bans, but you seem to also misunderstand the banning mechanisms on reddit. 'Shadowbanning' is much more widely used across reddit than I think you are aware of.
  - Raphmedia 7y ago
    We have gone well beyond the message I wanted to convey. But for the sake of XKCD:386, let me dig a little further in this hole. You have just described two different things, with different names and different logics. The results of running both is the same but the two are not the same thing. Moderators sharing lists of usernames to ban versus the software itself banning users globally is not the same thing either. Again, the result is similar, but the process and logic are different. It is important to make a clear distinction between similar processes. But yes, you're right, the results are identical and most users will not see the difference.
  - jrnichols 7y ago
    > A ban from any one of these 'unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator' will result in a shadowban from the majority of the website. Which sounds like a frightening and dangerous abuse of the moderator privilege to me. I'm astonished that Reddit has continued to allow this practice to continue. Also surprising are that you can comment in a subreddit and get banned from totally unrelated ones just because a mod decides it to be.

>Using a bot to automatically delete content is not the same as an administrator making your submissions and comments invisible to everyone but you. This is exactly what automod does.

Raphmedia 7y ago

One is a flag on the user's account, the other is adding a username to a bot's watch-list. They act the same but are not the same thing. That would be like saying that paying an employee to watch someone's account and manually delete every comments and submissions is a shadow ban. It is not. AutoModerator is an amazing piece of work but it is just that, a robot moderator. But that's not the point. The point is that "an unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator" cannot blanked ban you from the website (and that being a premium user won't protect you from such bans either).

txcwpalpha 7y ago
>the other is adding a username to a bot's watch-list Which is exactly the same as adding a flag to a user's account. This is some bizarre hair splitting going on here. >That would be like saying that paying an employee to watch someone's account and manually delete every comments and submissions is a shadow ban. It is not. AutoModerator is an amazing piece of work but it is just that, a robot moderator I don't know what you're trying to say here. What exactly, in your mind, is the difference between "a robot moderator", which is code that controls what is and isn't visible on a subreddit, and core reddit code, which is also just code that controls what is and isn't visible on reddit? >The point is that "an unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator" cannot blanked ban you from the website Reddit is infamous for having multiple poweruser mods that are moderators over many of the most popular subreddits, and many of these subreddits share banlists (even ones outside the 'powermod cabal'). A ban from any one of these 'unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator' will result in a shadowban from the majority of the website. I hear you and agree that yes, a 'premium subscription' does not mean you're immune from bans, but you seem to also misunderstand the banning mechanisms on reddit. 'Shadowbanning' is much more widely used across reddit than I think you are aware of.
- Raphmedia 7y ago
  We have gone well beyond the message I wanted to convey. But for the sake of XKCD:386, let me dig a little further in this hole. You have just described two different things, with different names and different logics. The results of running both is the same but the two are not the same thing. Moderators sharing lists of usernames to ban versus the software itself banning users globally is not the same thing either. Again, the result is similar, but the process and logic are different. It is important to make a clear distinction between similar processes. But yes, you're right, the results are identical and most users will not see the difference.
- jrnichols 7y ago
  > A ban from any one of these 'unpaid, unaffiliated subreddit moderator' will result in a shadowban from the majority of the website. Which sounds like a frightening and dangerous abuse of the moderator privilege to me. I'm astonished that Reddit has continued to allow this practice to continue. Also surprising are that you can comment in a subreddit and get banned from totally unrelated ones just because a mod decides it to be.