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I agree that a good IDE experience is a core part of the language nowadays. And in my experience, VS Code + TypeScript is by far the best IDE experience, far be

I agree that a good IDE experience is a core part of the language nowadays. And in my experience, VS Code + TypeScript is by far the best IDE experience, far better than Clojure + Emacs ever was. A significant amount of productivity that I thought that combination was giving me turned out to just be a feeling of productivity because of how ninja the stuff I was doing was. Similar to how I'm faster in Emacs than I was in Vim, but I thought I was faster in Vim simply because the complexity or cleverness of the commands I was typing in before I learned Emacs.

pjmlp 7y ago
It has always been core part of the language experience on Amiga, PC and Mac platforms. Just not on UNIX culture.
- layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
  On *nix the whole OS is your IDE.
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    That is an old one, except it isn't a match for the integration an IDE is capable of offering, including the graphical capabilities. Interlisp-D, Lisp Machines, Smalltalk, Mesa/Cedar, XDE, Oberon were an OS as IDE. UNIX is a poor imitation of their capabilities.
    - scroot 7y ago
      Smalltalk and Oberon especially are complete or near complete systems: they are described from top to bottom, and in some cases described in themselves. Oberon is interesting because the 2013 book goes much further than any recent system in this regard. One of the (final?) chapters even describes how to implement the custom processor in an FPGA.
sambal 7y ago
I know it’s java, I know it’s big and bloated and gross but at some point give IntelliJ idea a chance if you like the ide experience of vs code & ts! It’s mindboggling coming from editors & terminals
reirob 7y ago
I am going quite in the opposite way. My IDE is getting more and more the shell, the VI(M) and the terminal based development tools (in my case mostly Haskell and Shell-Related). The more I work the more I am getting used to the terminal, get better usage of the tools. And strangely I find my screen more often to just have fullscreen terminal window. I concede that I do not do any web or graphics development at the moment, this might help. But it's deeply satisfying to be able to discover new helpful functionality in the tools that are there for decades. And it's good to be able to use them almost everywhere, be it on a server over ssh or on a windows box with cygwin.

pjmlp 7y ago

It has always been core part of the language experience on Amiga, PC and Mac platforms. Just not on UNIX culture.

layoutIfNeeded 7y ago
On *nix the whole OS is your IDE.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  That is an old one, except it isn't a match for the integration an IDE is capable of offering, including the graphical capabilities. Interlisp-D, Lisp Machines, Smalltalk, Mesa/Cedar, XDE, Oberon were an OS as IDE. UNIX is a poor imitation of their capabilities.
  - scroot 7y ago
    Smalltalk and Oberon especially are complete or near complete systems: they are described from top to bottom, and in some cases described in themselves. Oberon is interesting because the 2013 book goes much further than any recent system in this regard. One of the (final?) chapters even describes how to implement the custom processor in an FPGA.

sambal 7y ago

I know it’s java, I know it’s big and bloated and gross but at some point give IntelliJ idea a chance if you like the ide experience of vs code & ts! It’s mindboggling coming from editors & terminals

reirob 7y ago

I am going quite in the opposite way. My IDE is getting more and more the shell, the VI(M) and the terminal based development tools (in my case mostly Haskell and Shell-Related). The more I work the more I am getting used to the terminal, get better usage of the tools. And strangely I find my screen more often to just have fullscreen terminal window. I concede that I do not do any web or graphics development at the moment, this might help. But it's deeply satisfying to be able to discover new helpful functionality in the tools that are there for decades. And it's good to be able to use them almost everywhere, be it on a server over ssh or on a windows box with cygwin.