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I thought Google was developing Fuschia because some of their ambitious junior project managers need to appear to be working on Something Big And New to get a p

I thought Google was developing Fuschia because some of their ambitious junior project managers need to appear to be working on Something Big And New to get a promotion, leaving their project to turn into Something Half-Assed And Cancelled In Two Years. Isn't that the standard trajectory for Google projects launched within this decade?

dmitriz 7y ago
Ha, sounds familiar. :) I wonder for how long we'll be able to use Gmail before it follows the G+ road.
- teknopaul 7y ago
  You'll need to stop receiving purchase recepits and flight details by email before Google is not interested in reading you email :)
- checktheorder 7y ago
  I've basically given up on Google and their corporate ADHD. I use Android because it's the only phone OS that allows for easy permanent sideloading while also having a healthy native app ecosystem, and I'll use search and maps, but that's literally (not figuratively, but literally) it. It seems that the only products of theirs with any staying power were launched prior to 2010.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    But search and maps are a lot of Google. Beyond that it’s YouTube, Gmail, Google docs, Google Cloud. Along with Android, Chrome, ChromeOS as the cornerstones of the company. Search is by far the most important piece. Followed by Android and Chrome, in my opinion. Or are you saying you aren’t going to use anything new by them? That is probably the case and I misunderstood. Though it’s not like Google has any major hits this decade anyway. Everything mentioned is quite old.
    - checktheorder 7y ago
      >Or are you saying you aren’t going to use anything new by them? That is probably the case and I misunderstood. Basically, yes. I don't even make the effort to log in to use any of their services, except for the Google account on my phone for the purposes of Play Store access. I'm just tired of being Charlie Brown trying to kick Google-Lucy's exciting-new-product-football.
tenebrisalietum 7y ago
I thought Google is developing Fuschia because. A) Linus won't stablize kernel ABI B) Device manufacturers won't release driver code to allow recompilation of an updated kernel. So this means an upgraded kernel needs upgraded drivers from manufacturers that match the kernel version, but manufacturers don't want to do this. Not sure where I heard it but I thought that was one of things about Fuschia is the device ABI is a separate, stable layer.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Doesn't Android have some sort of stable layer that allows for updating the OS without rewriting drivers?
  - maccam94 7y ago
    Somewhat recently added, yes: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/hal-types/ https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/hal-types/
  - pjmlp 7y ago
    Yes, Project Treble, it basically kind of changes Linux into a pseudo-"mikro-kernel", which is kind of ironic. Where classical Linux drivers are considered legacy (Passthrough HALs) and all new drivers since Android 8 are user space, written in either Java or C++ and talk to the kernel via Android IPC (Binderized HALs).
- checktheorder 7y ago
  >A) Linus won't stablize kernel ABI Yes, but this is for very good reasons. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/...

dmitriz 7y ago

Ha, sounds familiar. :) I wonder for how long we'll be able to use Gmail before it follows the G+ road.

teknopaul 7y ago
You'll need to stop receiving purchase recepits and flight details by email before Google is not interested in reading you email :)
checktheorder 7y ago
I've basically given up on Google and their corporate ADHD. I use Android because it's the only phone OS that allows for easy permanent sideloading while also having a healthy native app ecosystem, and I'll use search and maps, but that's literally (not figuratively, but literally) it. It seems that the only products of theirs with any staying power were launched prior to 2010.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  But search and maps are a lot of Google. Beyond that it’s YouTube, Gmail, Google docs, Google Cloud. Along with Android, Chrome, ChromeOS as the cornerstones of the company. Search is by far the most important piece. Followed by Android and Chrome, in my opinion. Or are you saying you aren’t going to use anything new by them? That is probably the case and I misunderstood. Though it’s not like Google has any major hits this decade anyway. Everything mentioned is quite old.
  - checktheorder 7y ago
    >Or are you saying you aren’t going to use anything new by them? That is probably the case and I misunderstood. Basically, yes. I don't even make the effort to log in to use any of their services, except for the Google account on my phone for the purposes of Play Store access. I'm just tired of being Charlie Brown trying to kick Google-Lucy's exciting-new-product-football.

tenebrisalietum 7y ago

I thought Google is developing Fuschia because. A) Linus won't stablize kernel ABI B) Device manufacturers won't release driver code to allow recompilation of an updated kernel. So this means an upgraded kernel needs upgraded drivers from manufacturers that match the kernel version, but manufacturers don't want to do this. Not sure where I heard it but I thought that was one of things about Fuschia is the device ABI is a separate, stable layer.

saagarjha 7y ago
Doesn't Android have some sort of stable layer that allows for updating the OS without rewriting drivers?
- maccam94 7y ago
  Somewhat recently added, yes: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/hal-types/ https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/hal-types/
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Yes, Project Treble, it basically kind of changes Linux into a pseudo-"mikro-kernel", which is kind of ironic. Where classical Linux drivers are considered legacy (Passthrough HALs) and all new drivers since Android 8 are user space, written in either Java or C++ and talk to the kernel via Android IPC (Binderized HALs).
checktheorder 7y ago
>A) Linus won't stablize kernel ABI Yes, but this is for very good reasons. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/process/stable-api-nonsense.rst https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/...