I think both combine to form a culture. (In your HN settings, you'll see there's the ability to see deleted posts and shadowbanned users, and if you turn that

I think both combine to form a culture. (In your HN settings, you'll see there's the ability to see deleted posts and shadowbanned users, and if you turn that on you'll see that most posts have a load a crazy people and trolls posting on them that the mods have cleaned up.)