I didn't forget about them (my own degree is in CE) and did say I was being somewhat contrarian... And started off impugning on the notion of jealousy (possibly

I didn't forget about them (my own degree is in CE) and did say I was being somewhat contrarian... And started off impugning on the notion of jealousy (possibly driven by economic value -- I'm not making professional use of my CE degree in part due to $$$) rather than inferiority or even competence in those who stir up the "ugh webdevs am I right?" rhetoric. We probably don't disagree much on the value of people, generally speaking, or the lack of recognition of types of excellence including all the great volunteer work going on in free and open software.